Post #237,633
12/11/05 1:56:48 PM
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ID makes no assertian of the designer, designed or not.
Although the ID advocates have a blatant, religious agenda, ID itself was written to have no religious aspect at all. This is an attempt to circumvent the ban on teaching religion in public schools. ID is not supernatural by definition. Claiming the ultra-tech alien designers evolved by natural selection would not contradict ID itself.
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #237,634
12/11/05 2:08:28 PM
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Except it's basic tenet . . .
. . that something as complex and organized as an ultra-tech alien capable of creating us could come about without a creator. How many levels do you want to push this back to delay uncovering the final absurdity?
My own opinion is just the opposite of ID, that life on Earth is far too complex and intertwined to have been designed - it could only have evolved.
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Post #237,655
12/11/05 5:26:30 PM
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That's an extrapolation of ID itself, not a basic tenet.
Although the ID advocates believe the designer is their god, ID does not describe he/she/it/them beyond being intelligent. ID is supernatural by implication, not definition.
And I agree, the richness and interdependency of life on Earth makes it implausible that it was designed.
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #237,766
12/12/05 1:41:33 PM
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Here's you task for today, grasshopper:
Go find your friendly, neighborhood, neocon fundie whackjob ID proponent, and get him/her to agree, without reservation, to your previous post. We await your report....
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #237,809
12/12/05 6:18:23 PM
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You forgot: bring a bodyguard -
Some of these folks get Violent when you come near their fav topic, the Prince of Peace.
<Spock on> It is not logical. But it is often true.</Spock>
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Post #237,811
12/12/05 6:27:24 PM
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What does the Prince of Peace have to do with ID?
Oh...that's right...
Mever mind....!
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #237,814
12/12/05 6:32:10 PM
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Nothing at all - we're talking GOD here . . .
. . the "Vengeful Smiter" who is "God the creator". That kid didn't create noth'n 'cept trouble.
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Post #237,819
12/12/05 8:17:17 PM
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Heard a lengthy discussion re Yahweh -
as bein pretty much what you said -- not 'God\ufffd' but a kind of pixie, droppin in for inspections. It seems that in the Judaeo early versions, all intermixed with Greek and other: there are at least three other entities vying for the CIEIO title. (The speaker was pissed, saying that #1 has been AWOL; the Covenant wasn't being honored by the *#1, so ... what matters 'faith' that it will/would be? etc.)
* Specifically (he sez), #1 declared, via I Am That I Am - that "S/He would show up if and when S/He Chooses" ==> ergo, that includes never.
cha cha and cha
I do love these monographs re internecine squabbles about Whom you should kill today, for dissin *your* fav Peace Loving construct - today, or thousands of yesterdays ago. Then.. when I'm off-the-wall, I can say: well, at least there are some in need of even more therapeutic endorphins than moi.
- so maybe it's OK for me to invite a zealot for lunch. There's even a forum with recipes. Roti? saut\ufffd appears popular with the Faithful: for others. But I'm pretty clumsy in the kitchen.
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Post #237,827
12/12/05 8:52:42 PM
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look it doesnt apply to you gentiles, its a realestate
transaction, in exchange for some specific dirt, judeah only, in exhange for observing some laws and not praising other agents in the vicinity the tenants get to camp there forever. If the laws are broken or ignored, tenant pretends there is no landlord he kicks them out until he deems them sufficiently remorseful then gives it back. Thats the covenant. Nothing else. Now all you gentiles have your own problems including believing that the covnent extended to someone else is provided with no fees just a weekly mea culpa and you expect to own the whole damn thing. Sorry it doesnt work that way. Same with the other bone headed followers of a long haul camel jockey. Go get your own god.
thanx,
bill
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Post #237,831
12/12/05 8:57:01 PM
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DPRLCI (new thread)
Created as new thread #237830 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=237830|DPRLCI]
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