Post #237,591
12/10/05 10:56:12 PM
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Sep. of church/state laws don't govern philosophy
Even if ID and MU don't qualify as "science" and are merely philosophy, putting them in textbooks is not a violation of Sep-church-state laws. You can argue it is bad textbook design, but not something the feds should micromanage.
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Post #237,599
12/11/05 1:48:21 AM
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It's FRAUD if you call it science instead of philosophy.
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Post #237,621
12/11/05 10:37:53 AM
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then psychology is fraud
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #237,628
12/11/05 12:43:21 PM
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This is news?
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Post #237,649
12/11/05 4:59:52 PM
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Soft science.
It can make predictions about behaviour based on observations that can be shown to be more likely via statistics. When the predictions don't work, different models/theories are used.
The psychological equivalent of ID would be to assume that we know all about human behaviour and that gaps in our knowledge are 'proof' of 'intelligent possession'.
IOW, ID is not a scientific theory at all. It's like looking at a blank spot on a map, and rather than exploring it to find what's really there, marking it with 'here there be dragons' or 'Atlantis'.
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- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #237,674
12/11/05 9:30:36 PM
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That would be "Psychology is FREUD"
And don't go dissing that particular field. It saved my life.
Peace,
Amy
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Post #237,683
12/11/05 11:00:42 PM
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accuse me?
Freud figured every man wanted to bang his mom and every girl wanted to bang her dad but that is psychiatry not psychology. A Psychologist matches dance patterns with dance cards and makes up an explaination.
thanx,
bill
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Post #237,713
12/12/05 6:33:13 AM
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No, he didn't
That fable was his equivalent of Condi's mushroom cloud bugaboo and the conmens' War on Terriers.
Freud discovered (by listening - D'Oh) the extent of sexual abuse of young girls by the usual suspects. When he attempted to make his case before the local Elks Club / Psych and Gentlemen's Association - they made it clear that such Unthinkable allegations would result in his Not getting his robe, sceptre and license to collect fees (..and everyone calling him poo poo head.)
That last did it, and the edited-data cover story has been mauling gullible psyches ever since.
(Jung was lots smarter, honest and profound - thus guaranteed to be unpopular with the Professional sects.)
HTH
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Post #237,714
12/12/05 6:36:57 AM
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I'm still not getting the connection...
...between psychology and ID.
Apart from the fact that you're constructing a logical equivalence whereby if psychology is a science, then ID is too.
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Post #237,715
12/12/05 7:07:51 AM
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Negative.
It's not that he's saying that "if psychology is a science, ID is one too" - he's saying that my arguments against ID as a science also argue against psychology. Not the same thing at all.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #237,716
12/12/05 7:10:47 AM
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OK...
...but why are we talking about psychology at all?
Or should this thread have branched some time ago?
Peter
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Post #237,717
12/12/05 7:13:28 AM
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OT branch
was "Psychology is FREUD" - not TOO far back...
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #237,718
12/12/05 7:17:11 AM
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Damn Scientologists
Every time I see "OT" I think "Operating Thetan".
Bah!
Peter
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Post #237,719
12/12/05 7:25:59 AM
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ROFL!
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- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #237,728
12/12/05 10:01:12 AM
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Anyone catch "Last Laugh 2005" over the weekend?
It was Comedy Central's year-end show. Andy Dick did a sketch as the wedding planner for Tom Cruise and what's-her-name's wedding. Poked many sharp sticks at Scientology. I'm guessing Andy won't be on the guest list.
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Post #237,730
12/12/05 10:10:54 AM
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Yep.
Couple of shots at Tom Cruise too.
Funny stuff.
Bring back Ron Reagan. That'll scare them!
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Post #237,733
12/12/05 10:43:53 AM
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Ronnie, walking around, would scare me too...
That boy's dead...
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Post #237,737
12/12/05 11:44:56 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #237736 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=237736|ICLRPD]
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Post #237,805
12/12/05 5:43:18 PM
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Not accusing you.
Poking at Gentle Ben, my dear friend who eschews all things to do with the field of psychology. Saw my chance for a cheap laugh and took it (what else is new? :-D)
But on a more serious note, if Intelligent Design were really true, then we are all screwed...why would God make such a thing as depression in people so severe that they would commit suicide? Doesn't sound too Intelligent to me.
Just musing.
me.
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Post #237,763
12/12/05 1:32:36 PM
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More like: Freud (pronounced: "fraud")
Nothing really wrong with the field. Some of its practitioners, on the other hand....
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