Post #237,587
12/10/05 9:48:35 PM
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New car work good.
Had a 2-hour lunch today with a senior nurse from Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Beverly Hills (where all the celebrities go to die). She saw the car, rode in it and didn't reject me - a vast improvement over the old car. She's a very nice lady and we'll be seeing each other again, as schedules permit.
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Post #237,588
12/10/05 10:09:19 PM
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:-) Excellent.
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Post #237,592
12/10/05 11:02:15 PM
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Smithers
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Post #237,595
12/10/05 11:06:29 PM
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Schwing.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #237,606
12/11/05 3:43:00 AM
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job: check, car: check, cooks: check, ....
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #237,610
12/11/05 8:09:41 AM
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The next stage is when she checks out how big his
helmet is.
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Post #237,631
12/11/05 1:02:39 PM
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I wonder if she's a Druish Princess named Vespa?
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Post #237,632
12/11/05 1:12:24 PM
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Yeah, it's like going for a job . . .
If you don't have all the basic requirements covered you might as well stay home. With all the boxes checked you get to make your presentation.
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Post #237,617
12/11/05 10:18:02 AM
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good doins,
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #237,630
12/11/05 12:54:51 PM
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Good luck
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #237,637
12/11/05 3:17:08 PM
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It is well that I am married\ufffd
because my exceptionally disreputable car (purchased new almost 25 years ago; has been subjected to extreme "deferred maintenance") would probably put off any prospective partner of normal sensibilities. Although I have not, times past, been one to invest an automobile with some externalized fraction of my self-worth, during the past year the thing has grown so extravagantly shabby-looking that I have begun to feel a leetle self-conscious as I tool around town in it (have I been getting those odd looks in the tony Piedmont Grocery parking lot all along, I wonder?), and think that I may give it the heave-ho next year when the Whole Foods on the corner opens up.
Nice to hear, though, that the newer wheels are working out for ye.
cardially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #237,735
12/12/05 10:57:42 AM
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Ahhh, one of the !GOOD years.
Especially if it is a GM, Wonderful Rust-buckets in Michigan. In California, they seem to wear out the drive-train and just stop working.
I am guessing, a 1982 Olds Cutlass 4-door, with the vaunted Buick 231 with the oil-pump in the oil-pan, driven off the cam in the back of the motor. Versus having the "New desgin" Being a North Front Timing Cover, which includes the oil-pump assy, water-pump, distributor and timing chain cover.
The old design @ idle would produce ~3-5 PSI from the oil pump. New design ~20PSI @ idle from teh oil pump.
Such a !great era in GM Vehicles. Though I liked the looks of them, the drivetrain was crap, come to think of it, so was the body being made of crap materials.
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Post #237,659
12/11/05 5:43:25 PM
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Also, don't forget that women find a man with an...
apron on sexy. But, in the kitchen not driving! :)
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #237,671
12/11/05 9:22:40 PM
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Weeee!
It's about time someone besides us realized what a prize you are. Hope the big mo keeps going!
Peace,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #237,701
12/12/05 12:51:29 AM
12/12/05 5:30:51 AM
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Well, it just ain't to be.
She says she likes just everything about me except she's not physically attracted. I'm not surprised at that from someone who hangs out in Beverly Hills (even though she says it's not her choice) - unusual standards there.
Now rejection always hurts, and hurts a lot, but in this case it's for the best - a relationship between us would have been a logistic and scheduling nightmare that would surely have come unglued. Unfortunately for her, that'll apply to just about any man - I wished her good luck.
So it's off to find another. I expect I'll be getting plenty hardened to rejection by time this is all over, but at least it'll be me that's rejected and not the car.
I really hope I can get through this without becoming the manipulative asshole every "dating success" article I've ever read says I have to be to succeed, but if I have to become an asshole, I guess I can learn to handle that - some of the stupidist guys I know do it very well indeed.
I've also checked out "dating success" articles fed to women, and they predominantly say "you're going to go from one failed relationship to another because you always sucker for the manipulative asshole and ignore the guy who would actually fit your needs". So I guess that really is the secret to winning women. I don't know if this can be successfully faked or whether I'll just have to learn to live it.
I know you tell me I should just forget about all this and "just be yourself and do what interests you and it'll come", but that hasn't worked for 40 years and I doubt I have another 40 years to try it.
Anyway, onward and outward . . .
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Post #237,705
12/12/05 2:48:34 AM
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Wining them is easy.Just keep pouring until they say stop...
...and then don't stop. Now, *winning* them, OTOH, that might take all the manipulativeness you bemoan (and then some).
Very, *very* interesting edit there, Gryge.
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Post #237,712
12/12/05 5:29:04 AM
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OK, so it looked wrong both ways and I was tired.
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Post #237,857
12/13/05 12:32:11 AM
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But, on the other hand . . .
. . my carefully worded and re-photoed "profile" (the polite term for a product pitch) which I'm now keeping at the top of the "recent" list, is getting an outstanding response rate - so Beverly Hills celebrity nurses aside, prospects don't seem that bad.
Now, if I can just learn to be arrogant and disrespectful enough to keep their interest when I meet them. Man that's tough because I really do like women - but if that's what it takes, that's what I'll have to learn.
For reference, treating "L" as someone very special got me absolutely nada, and even less than nada, and a whole lot less than before I expressed any interest.
This is really the pits. Ladies, what the hell is wrong with you when you're single? I know it gets fixed when you're married 'cause I get along fine with married ladies (though I haven't been sleeping with any since back in my tender youth).
Sheeeeeesh, ya'd think this'd all be a whole lot more reasonable (yeah, I know the whole "socio-biology" shebang for for this crap - but that doesn't help ease the pain of destroying all my youthful idealism).
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Post #237,870
12/13/05 8:33:28 AM
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keep a spatula on your dashboard
when asked, say its for the Aunt Jemima treatment. Curiousity will get you laid almost as oftem as spite.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #237,946
12/13/05 6:38:11 PM
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God, how I love a good pervert ;-)
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #238,104
12/14/05 11:00:15 PM
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Re: God, how I love a good pervert ;-) (new thread)
Created as new thread #238103 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238103|Re: God, how I love a good pervert ;-)]
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Post #237,895
12/13/05 1:22:50 PM
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Book recommendation
[link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0142001198/ref=pd_rhf_p_1/002-1654988-0640858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155|http://www.amazon.co...v=glance&n=283155]
This is not a "how to pick up trashy women" book or anything like that.
Its an exploration of various principles of attraction illustrated with stories from history. Kind of a fun read and might be a little eye opening because you might begin to better grasp what works and what doesn't (and why).
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #237,911
12/13/05 2:37:28 PM
12/13/05 3:02:33 PM
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Hmmmmmm . . . .
" . . this book is more than a little creepy".
" . . and 'Isolate the Victim.' This book will have real appeal for power mongers, gold diggers, and heartless manipulators everywhere".
" . . distasteful exploitative emphasis".
Well, I'm currently entertaining a mood to believe women will accept nothing less than a "heartless manipulator" so I ordered it - it should provide plenty of amusement if nothing else. I'll shelve it between "Sex Tips for Girls" and "The MBA's Official Handbook".
Actually, my real need is simply for more "victims" to "isolate" and I doubt it'll help any with that, but life goes on.
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Post #238,468
12/18/05 12:17:47 PM
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From a review:
"The book celebrates non-possessive intimacy"
Wow, a new politically correct term for "sleeping around". Or is it for "whoring"? Good job, either way.
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Post #238,474
12/18/05 2:59:45 PM
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Well, my copy hasn't arrived yet . . .
. . but I'll take a look and see if I can turn the techniques to more honerable objectives.
The experts tell me, my own observation tell me, and even women have told me, blatant maipulation is what they expect and the minimum for success. Women have told me flat out, and more than once, that I have to learn to lie to them or I'll get nowhere.
They're completely put off by an honest approach - until the moment they're tied to someone, of course - then they want it all to change.
Well, this is all discouraging and disappointing and certainly reduces my respect for women a great deal, and I've put off believing it for a long time - but though I'm a slow learner, I can learn.
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Post #238,194
12/15/05 6:13:50 PM
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I found it seems to be whether they think you're after them.
Almost all single women I met or socialised with when I was single seemed to have this wariness because they knew I was single. It was almost as though they didn't really want to encourage me. Contrast, most married women I got on fine with. It was as if they knew I knew they were taken. :-/
My wife freely admits she chose me. This meant her responses were a little different: it was as though she was trying to find out how to encourage me. :-)
Wade.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #238,208
12/15/05 8:46:10 PM
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Yeah, that's part of the 'treat 'em like dirt' thing.
All the psychology articles and dating advice columns say exactly the same thing - you cannot let a woman know you think she's special or your through. You have to treat her as if she's just not good enough to for you to get her interest.
I think it's damned sick, but if that's what it takes I'll learn to do it. I don't expect I'll have much respect left for women by time I'm through though. The last of my youthful idealism is fast getting squeezed out.
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Post #238,223
12/15/05 10:20:19 PM
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its not your idealizm you want squeezed :-)
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,226
12/15/05 10:39:35 PM
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Yeah, but according to current literature . . .
. . that has to go first.
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Post #238,231
12/15/05 11:22:19 PM
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FWIW, all women aren't like that.
I really do think you'd have better luck away from SoCal.
Maybe take a cooking class or something at whatever passes for Continuing Education or Parks & Recreation out there. Anything to mix with a different group of people may help.
Keep hunting. She's out there somewhere. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #238,233
12/15/05 11:32:02 PM
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Yeah, I'm work'n on that . . .
. . but I'm work'n the other angle too, just in case, and just in case I need it to close a deal.
I'll be practicing on "L", 'cause I can do that with a clear conscience - they way she's treated me she deserves it (and here nobody thought I could become more cynical than I already was :p).
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Post #238,234
12/15/05 11:34:33 PM
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Start with insulting them
Drop hints that with a little bit of effort they would be worthy.
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Post #238,235
12/15/05 11:47:44 PM
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That appears to be the essential point.
It's rather difficult for me because I've always liked women, but if that's what they want, that's what I'll learn to deliver.
Apparently, if you don't insult them and let them know they're unworthy, they figure they can do better than you and toss you aside.
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Post #238,236
12/15/05 11:51:54 PM
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I dunno...
Relationships are complicated, but I don't think that insults are the way to go.
Probably the most important thing is to be interesting. Have some quality that makes someone want to be around you. E.g. Be a good listener; be able to tell funny stories or jokes; have an area of expertise that can be explained to others in an interesting way; be someone that others can trust; demonstrate that you can take care of yourself but that you're not a hermit; have empathy for others; etc. I'm sure Andrew can do those things very, very well. I suspect that he's just not meeting the right type of people yet.
Starting off by insulting people or annoying them probably isn't going to win many people over. Yes, like many of us, I'm amazed by the apparent prevalence of women who seem to be attracted to apes. But would you really want to be with a woman like that for more than a trivially short period of time? I wouldn't.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #238,239
12/16/05 12:21:42 AM
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Hey! You're being reasonable when . . .
. . I'm being cynical. Stop that.
Of course I'm not meeting enough of the right kind of women, and I'm trying to figure out where the hell they're all hiding. Until I find out I'll just have to entertain myself with fantasies of "heartless manipulation" of the women I do meet.
There is, however, one absolute rule which I've experienced from both sides (more than once each way). If you aren't getting laid no woman will touch you. If you're getting plenty, you have no problem finding other women to decorate your bed.
It's kind of like "gaydar" amongst the "boys". They know. Nobody knows how they know, but they know.
That's a real sticking point right now because I tossed out my last regular for high crimes and worse (incredibly loud snoring which she rather enjoyed, fanatic support of the Bush administration and the war in Iraq, as well as being totally unhelpful around the house) before finding a replacement.
Now I need to find something (preferably this side of a sheep) to get back in the game. If that takes "heartless manipulation", so be it. I'm not the one making the rules here.
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Post #238,263
12/16/05 6:44:42 AM
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Kinda like taking any job when unemployed
Then you are marketable.
Grab something for a while, prime the pump, start producing pheromones, and go get what you really want.
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Post #238,280
12/16/05 10:04:32 AM
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are you narrowing choices by color weight accents?
Maybe widening to options not previous considered? Although slopping hogs on a regular basis can get old.
thanks,
Bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,288
12/16/05 10:38:34 AM
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Well, here's my preferences . . you tell me.
- First preference: European / Mediterranean / Slavic / Jewish / Turk-Armenian / Near Eastern with dark hair.
- Close Second: Same with light hair.
- Close third: Hispanic & mixed**
- I don't find a Russian accent attractive in a woman but the right person could overcome that.
- Not particularly attracted to Asians - probably due to lack of experience - would be willing to consider if not too thin.
- Not compatible with blacks due to "black culture" - been close enough to know.
** The affair with the "Apache Princess" (half Apache, half Aztec) was interesting and enjoyable but she and her whole family were so derisive of "white culture" it didn't work out in the long run. [link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #238,306
12/16/05 11:42:45 AM
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well you really are not representative of "white" culture
olive complected brunnettes. Dunno how far you are from here [link|http://www.supersingles.us/index.html.Or|http://www.supersingles.us/index.html.Or] this one [link|http://www.supersinglemixers.com/|http://www.supersinglemixers.com/] looks like they have real annoying broads. You spend time in the asian markets, look at the women as well as the food. Never know.Man, Good Luck,
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,661
12/20/05 3:57:00 PM
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Chinese probably not good match
considering that many Chinese women think that any kind of rear end is big, etc. Maybe an ABC (American Born Chinese) or mix (often very attractive)
Also, I find it interesting that in a culture that values sons highly, many modern mainland Chinese women are quite spoiled, and not at all subserviant.
Tony
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Post #238,689
12/20/05 6:25:59 PM
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no they prefer their men pw'ed
I work with several ladies from the mainland, funny, pretty, smart and unless you need a personal director dont hook up with one.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,257
12/16/05 3:35:35 AM
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exact opposite
with my wife, though she did have a string of unhealthy involvements. After dating for a month, i told her she was in love with me and that we were going to get married. Boy, I'm glad that one worked out - 6 years ago now.
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Post #238,266
12/16/05 7:45:05 AM
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:-)
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Post #238,294
12/16/05 10:56:19 AM
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Crap, crap, and more crap
That is wrong on so many levels I dont even know where to start telling you how wrong that is. Arrrgghhh!! I'm all bristled up now.
I'm scooting out the door for work and dont have time to get in your face at the moment. We'll have to save that for another time.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,307
12/16/05 11:43:16 AM
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We'll be anxiously awaiting :-)
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,309
12/16/05 12:07:00 PM
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Lemme get my flack jacket . . .
. . this sounds like fun!
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Post #238,315
12/16/05 12:41:23 PM
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I was recently talking
to my friend, Cyndi (yes, Bill, my 'pet blonde') about this very subject.
It's not that women want you treat them like dirt. It's not that they want shallow, self-centered, dishonest or abusive guys. She said that my former theory (that dirtbags get girls because the girls don't want to feel guilty if they dump them later) is only true in the minority of situations.
It's not that they don't appreciate being a 'nice guy' either - it's that being a 'good guy' is NOT an attribute that is attractive; that is, it's not what catches their attention, it's not part of a successful 'mating display'.
It is, however, the nice, honorable, honest, generous and appreciative attributes that can KEEP a woman - those are the things that can make you special enough to keep over others.
Now, if only she'll let me in on what DOES make for a successful 'mating display' and isn't mutually exclusive to those things that make for 'nice guys', I'll write my own book, make millions, AND add to the general happiness of men and women everywhere...
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,316
12/16/05 12:53:00 PM
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When you make those millions
just remember who your friends are :-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #238,317
12/16/05 12:58:06 PM
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we need a design for the t-shirt
Imric's Posse
mega-goth meets redneck theme?
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,318
12/16/05 12:59:31 PM
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Oh - I will.
And to prove it, I'll post the secret here, first - give everybody here a 'leg up' so to speak...
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,327
12/16/05 1:50:45 PM
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Don't bother ... I don't need it any more
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Post #238,330
12/16/05 2:00:49 PM
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Exactly the situation.
The problem is the jerks succeed and women marry them or work out some other arrangement - then want the jerk to turn into the kind of guy that couldn't get their attention. Of course, he's already been trained as to "what works" and sees no incentive to give that up.
"When a man and a woman get married, she thinks she can change him and he thinks she'll never change. Both are wrong."
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Post #238,348
12/16/05 4:32:00 PM
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I think it is a matter of numbers and no fear of rejection
The jerk will keep asking as many as possible woman to date, and will push for what he wants as soon as possible. If you come across many women on an ongoing basis, and approach all of them that you consider the slightest bit attactive, then it is simply a matter of time before you score.
But the key issue is not to stop asking new ones. Keep the current one for occasional sex, refuse to commit to anything that is not immediate pleasurable for you, and keep trying for new ones.
Always have the excuse that you are running out on a business meeting, etc, to show both how important you are and while you really want to commit, it would be unfair to her since you are never around.
After a while, you've built up a list that you can called upon as desired.
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Post #238,385
12/16/05 9:02:55 PM
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Bill Hicks said/sang it best
Chicks dig jerks. While I know that's incredibly shallow, it's nevertheless pretty damned accurate. At least for some women. Most every woman I've had a relationship with has some horror story of the bad boy she fell for. A couple of them proceeded to go back to him after me. One of them was meeting up with the ex while we were living together. And he was a true prize, on probation for B&E, the asshole found out where I lived, broke in and ripped me off. While she was living with me. She left, got back with him, got beat up, came back to me and asked to be taken back. I said no. I don't do that.
I personally know one couple who only stay together because the sex is good. Nothing else whatsoever about that relationship is healthy. Big house, frightened kids, suspicious bruises, screaming fights, etc. but they're good in bed so that makes it all worthwhile, right?
On the gripping hand, I know several couples who have healthy and mutually supportive relationships. Wish I knw how they did it.
Let me say that again; I wish I knew how they did it.
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Post #238,387
12/16/05 9:13:49 PM
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paragraph 2 smackgobs me
had one of those once, stitches all over my head, but boy could she shake that thang. Trouble is I wasnt the only one she was shaking it at, that will take the glow off.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,612
12/20/05 9:38:18 AM
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Andrew, my darling...
You really dont believe all that rubbish, do you? Gender aside, why would anyone be attracted to someone who is mean, manipulative and disinterested? Would you be interested in someone like that? Seriously? Why do you think a woman would? I dont know what articles you're reading, or who you're listening to, but this position you're taking on women is so wrong it couldnt be any more wrong. Geez Louise.
Turning into an asshole will not get you a woman. It will only make you an asshole.
And I'll tell you what, if men really think women want jerks, then I'm better off alone. I'd much rather go through life by my lonesome than with a jerk.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,622
12/20/05 10:57:06 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #238621 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238621|ICLRPD]
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Post #238,623
12/20/05 11:10:25 AM
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Aww come-on . . .
. . you know I'm only a little serious about becoming a jerk.
On the other hand, studying jerk techniques may be of practical application - because they seem rather effective.
For instance, the guys I know (clients mainly) who are married to the most beautiful women, do not hesitate to slap their wives into place (verbally) early, often and publicly. Since these women are attractive enough to have select the man they wanted, is that not evidence this behavior is desirable to women?
How much evidence do I need to ignore here?
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Post #238,624
12/20/05 11:15:13 AM
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Did they find the man they wanted...
...or the social/financial cachet he represents?
Be sure to check whether they're actually getting their jollies elsewhere before deciding that these women are anything other than superficially attractive.
Peter
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Post #238,630
12/20/05 12:37:38 PM
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I deal with the women too . . .
. . so I know they're competent and of good quality. Thinking otherwise would be just trying to find excuses.
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Post #238,654
12/20/05 3:37:58 PM
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All of it. Ignore all of it.
What kind of people live out there? It must be a different breed, because that crap doesnt fly out here.
And yes, I know you are only a little serious. Just dont let the cynicism take over. Dont go over to the dark side.
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Post #238,664
12/20/05 4:00:00 PM
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*grin*
Because he sees the *POWER* of the Dark Side?
*ducks*
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,719
12/20/05 10:34:30 PM
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Re: All of it. Ignore all of it.
It's all supposed to be "Faith Based" then?
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Post #238,721
12/20/05 10:39:36 PM
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Oh bull
Use the pieces that are useful.
Get into the game.
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Post #238,729
12/21/05 12:36:52 AM
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Oh, I don't want to actually . . .
become a jerk, but if learning to play one on TV gets the job done I'm willing to learn.
I tried the "faith based" approach to women you recommend for a long time and it only got me brushed off. Women say they want a nice guy and can't find one, and they may even be telling the truth - nice guys may actually be invisible to single women.
Now I'm not completely without experience on the other side either. The only women who ever chased after me (and a couple with persistence) were ones I treated badly because I thought them not what I was looking for.
Sometimes I've wondered if perhaps I should have just trapped one of those and made her my sex slave. She probably would have been happy enough with that but I expect I'd have gotten bored - what I really wanted was a highly intelligent lady with perhaps some artistic talent - but they all married overweight mortgage loan brokers.
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Post #238,735
12/21/05 7:10:00 AM
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My ex-fiance says
that ladies are often attracted to men they can't have, or shouldn't have. Forbidden fruit, and all that. Your (and my) experience seems to confirm that.
I dunno - feigned disinterest in the romantic side of things might just be the ticket. Of course, then you'd have to develop a sense of timing as to when to drop the disinterest. A decent 'mating display' is important, too, I think. You have to give the impression of being a good catch... That means the trappings of wealth, and/or good health.
I'm still working on the last bit, myself.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,795
12/21/05 1:48:57 PM
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And there, of course, lies a problem.
It isn't that I can't afford trapings of wealth (those who can't manage to fake it anyway), it's just that I'm not at all interested in them. This puts a crimp in presenting the mating display proven most effective.
I'll just have to learn to insinuate that there's plenty of money and that I just don't know how to spend it - that'd probably get 'em lubed.
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Post #238,798
12/21/05 1:58:30 PM
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fiance, eh?
I never knew you had your bread buttered on the other side.
Peter
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Post #238,801
12/21/05 2:18:13 PM
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Yeah, yeah - so I dropped the extra e.
What, do you think I can spell as well as CRC or something?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,845
12/21/05 5:02:59 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #238844 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238844|ICLRPD]
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #238,629
12/20/05 12:07:49 PM
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Being a jerk certainly doesn't seem to be a turn-off
for many women, Bio. Being a nice guy doesn't attract many women, either. Don't just pooh-pooh this perception; jerks have no problem being deceptive and manipulative, because being a jerk ISN'T an immediate turn-off, jerks get more 'shots' than nice guys.
It's just the way things are.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,631
12/20/05 12:39:11 PM
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It is also necessary . . .
. . to ignore what women say and watch instead what they do. There is little connection between the two, and it's what they do that matters.
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Post #238,657
12/20/05 3:45:11 PM
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Bull.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,720
12/20/05 10:35:26 PM
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Well, I'm glad to see you're feeling better.
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Post #239,015
12/22/05 4:20:15 PM
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I wish.
It came back with a vengeance. I've spent the past 24 hours sleeping on the bathroom floor.
I'm too exhausted to argue anymore. You wont hear another word from me on this topic. You win.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,018
12/22/05 4:24:30 PM
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Hang in there, L. Drink ginger ale if you can - often helps.
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Post #239,019
12/22/05 4:28:24 PM
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Have been.
It's the only thing that stays down. :-(
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Post #239,051
12/22/05 7:19:41 PM
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But, but, but . . .
. . you know I didn't really want to win, but with BioNerd out of action what can I do now? Who will save me?
I hope for your speedy recovery. I'll light another candle for you (the last one burned out just about the time of your relapse - I thought you'd be over this by now).
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Post #239,057
12/22/05 8:19:29 PM
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You may have won the battle
but the war's not over. I'm not giving up on you or your misguided, lovelorn soul.
Keep the candles burning, maybe do a little dance, too.
I'll do the same for you.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,083
12/22/05 11:00:04 PM
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No no no. It's Ashton who does the dance. cha cha cha.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,098
12/23/05 12:00:58 AM
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Ya, but . . .
. . I got me shaman drum here and I'll play it a tune for the Bio - but I ain't gett'n down me Siberian shaman outfit with the wrought iron bones an do a dance unless she says it's real serious (that sucker's heavy an' a bit warm in a SoCal winter). Last thing I want though, is ta drum 'er into the land of the dead - so hey Bio - be well!
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Post #239,146
12/23/05 8:36:55 AM
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No need for the suit
Just light up a wicker man in the yard and have at it.
And when I'm feeling better I'll dance for your soul with my scarves in the moonlight. The dance is probably best done naked, but it's way too cold for that. I think it will still be effective with a parka and boots. We shall see.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,185
12/23/05 11:13:37 AM
12/23/05 12:57:35 PM
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Well, I got out the drum and did a few . . .
. . patterns for you. Unfortunately, the only image of you I had fresh in mind was your Halloween picture, so if you get an excomunication letter from the Pope, that's probably how it came about.
Oh well, at least in my mind you were smiling.
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Post #239,209
12/23/05 12:31:02 PM
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I am so *pretty*
Get rid of that picture, would ya?
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,216
12/23/05 1:03:38 PM
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Done - but . . .
. . since you've alread seen it it won't be deleted from your browser cache for awhile.
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Post #239,186
12/23/05 11:13:50 AM
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yabut
the cold would ensure the fast rendition.... :-)
You're beginning to sound like yourself again. Welcome back to the land of the healthy.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,097
12/22/05 11:56:19 PM
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Those are her words, but what are her actions?
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Post #239,112
12/23/05 3:10:14 AM
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That will be revealed in the fullness of time . . .
. . but when a woman's out to reform a man you can bet it doesn't include conceding many battles.
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Post #239,147
12/23/05 8:38:50 AM
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oh ye of little faith...
If ya'll think acting like jerks is the way to go, I'll keep my mouth shut on the topic. There are lots of other ways to reform Andrew, anyway.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,154
12/23/05 8:44:55 AM
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"Jerks get all the girls"
The battle-cry of the single man, I wot.
Peter
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Post #239,207
12/23/05 12:20:11 PM
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Geez, bio
I don't see Andrew doing that anyway. _I_ think he'd prefer to find a girl he doesn't have to be a jerk to.
I think MOST single 'nice guys' have to get over the nice-guy/jerk thing. I don't think either one is related to attracting a woman (except obliquely, as I said before). It's taken a lot of 'counselling' from my female friends for me to reach that conclusion.
I do have more than a few female friends, and I've had to console them SO many times about the jerks they were dating... (three of them have found really nice guys woth their time now, btw - all meeting their guys in really unusual circumstance, only one of them not actively looking) It's hard not to see jerks as having an advantage - I used to be very bitter about the subject myself. So much so I pretty much gave up on that part of my life for a long time. They are very frank with me now; they are actively trying to help me rather commiserating. I really am hoping to figure out what's what - so far it seems a 'mating display' of wealth and/or health (and/or) fitness is primary.
Next I've come to the conclusion that it's the ability to engage the lady personally. That can be intellectually, socially, or physically (dancing, etc.) - and the engagement is what counts, not necessarily whether the engagement is good or bad (I've had tales or arguments, spills, and lousy dancers - though the good anecdotes outnumber the bad). The more of these things, the better. Looks outside of health/fitness don't seem to matter that much... (I'm personally working on health/fitness, myself. That's something that benefits me anyway).
Being a nice guy doesn't seem to enter the situation. It gets you friends (sometimes very good friends), though, if the 'mating display' is rejected. That isn't a bad thing - but it can feed bitterness.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #239,208
12/23/05 12:28:10 PM
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Ziiiiip
That's the sound of me keeping my mouth shut.
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Post #239,210
12/23/05 12:31:30 PM
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*shrug*
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #239,064
12/22/05 8:54:29 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that, hope you recover fast
Being sick on Christmas, sucks.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #239,088
12/22/05 11:23:44 PM
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Hey L, Sorry to hear you are battling the killer bug again.
don't forget crackers and my personal favorite, strained bananas. Yes, as in baby food. Works like a charm. Hope that helps. It's too cold for popsicles, but they work pretty good too.
Hugs,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #239,149
12/23/05 8:40:29 AM
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God, Amy, just put the nail in my coffin..
Strained bananas? Just looking at that would... ohhhh....
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Post #239,151
12/23/05 8:42:39 AM
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Drink Guinness.
Peter
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Post #239,156
12/23/05 8:45:45 AM
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bloooorrrggg
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Post #239,170
12/23/05 9:47:29 AM
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Funny. That's what *I* say after about 8 pints or so.
Peter
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Post #239,171
12/23/05 9:51:44 AM
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BRILLIANT!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #239,361
12/25/05 12:21:31 AM
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sorry :-(
Didn't realize it was that bad. Guess you'll have to stick to Gatorade or (God Forbid) Pedialyte (although I've heard they've made it taste better)
I hope you are better soon. It's good to see you posting again at least.
Hugs,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #239,374
12/25/05 2:53:14 AM
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remember cognac for chest whiskey for head
colds and rum for general health and well being vitamins so to speak.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #239,153
12/23/05 8:44:43 AM
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Whatever happened to chicken soup? :)
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #239,188
12/23/05 11:21:48 AM
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You need to know which soul....
Chicken soup for the [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558744630/qid=1135354688/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2389363-3240720?n=507846&s=books&v=glance|teenage soul]
Chicken soup for the [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0757303137/qid=1135354706/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2389363-3240720?n=507846&s=books&v=glance|girl's soul]
Chicken soup for the [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0757303285/qid=1135354787/sr=8-5/ref=pd_bbs_5/104-2389363-3240720?n=507846&s=books&v=glance|Grandma's soul]
Chicken soup for [link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0757302483/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/104-2389363-3240720?%5Fencoding=UTF8|Every Mom's soul]
and on and on.
Too many varieties of chicken soup to choose from....
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,195
12/23/05 11:36:17 AM
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Well, I figure 'Chicken Soup for the Chicken's Soul' . . .
. . is really the way to go.
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Post #239,187
12/23/05 11:16:54 AM
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what do you mean "too cold for popsicles"?
Why we even keep the DQs open year round. It does seem a little strange walking up to the DQ window and ordering a Blizzard when it's -20F.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,132
12/23/05 7:17:18 AM
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Only one suggestion -
Do Not make / help make any. Snow(wo)men. Angels. No matter What. Y'hear?
Stay warm.. there may be some good come of, umm not being expected to do ___ (all that stuff? y'know? ;-)
Cheers,
moi
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Post #239,143
12/23/05 8:31:36 AM
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Its not the snow angels I'm worried about
It's 2 days before Christmas and I dont have a thing ready. I woke up this morning feeling a wee bit better. Am drinking tea and catching up on some work now before the kids get up.
Guess we'll make due with what I can throw together. As long as there are cookies out for Santa tomorrow night and presents under the tree the next morning, my kids will be happy.
Fa la la, ya'll.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,169
12/23/05 9:44:51 AM
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Like I told my wife yesterday
That's the great thing about Christmas and pregnancy. No matter how not-ready you think you are, it's going to show up when it wants to anyway.
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Post #239,230
12/23/05 2:09:43 PM
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Is there a reason?
That you're talking with your wife about the merits of pregnancy?
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #239,235
12/23/05 2:19:38 PM
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Just that we've had this discussion before
She was saying last night that she was totally unprepared for Chrfistmas. I said, "Remember when you were pregnant the first time? And you said you weren't ready for it? Well this is just like that. It doesn't matter if you're ready, it's going to happen in its own time anyway."
Some people act like if they don't get all the cookies baked and all the gifts bought and wrapped and the tree cut down and the lights put up and and and and and ... that Christmas will decide to not come in a fit of pique.
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Post #239,240
12/23/05 2:36:18 PM
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Ah. I thought it might have been something else.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #239,244
12/23/05 3:09:52 PM
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Had same thoughts, especially since my sdaughter's news..
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #238,656
12/20/05 3:44:03 PM
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Who are you going to snag by being a jerk?
A jerkette.
I dont buy your theory. Call me naive, but I still believe the nice guy can and will get the girl.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,663
12/20/05 3:58:26 PM
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I didn't say that.
I said that being a jerk or being nice is irrelevant to ATTRACTING a girl (not keeping a girl - that's different) - but that jerks have an advantage - they don't care about what affect getting the girl is going to have on the girl, other girls they may be dating, children, family, whatever. They also have no problem with lies and deceit. Because of this they get more shots.
And again, that's just the way it is.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #238,638
12/20/05 1:25:43 PM
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Being the right kind of jerk apparently works on you
Here's some food for thought:
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=209178|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=209178]
Perhaps you don't think a guy is being a jerk when he screws a woman who accepts that she can't really have him. Perhaps you think that it is OK to regularly leave someone thinking, "What the hell am I thinking?"
If you think that, then we can simplify this conversation a lot. Andrew, stop using the word "jerk" so freely. Bionerd thinks it means something different than you do.
If you don't think that, then at least one jerk out there seems to be able to take you out for a spin whenever he wants. And I'm willing to bet that you're not the only woman he does that with.
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #238,640
12/20/05 2:02:31 PM
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Well, someone's clearly in the holiday spirit
That holiday being Festivus. We seem to have commenced with the Airing of Grievances. When do the Feats of Strength start?
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Post #238,643
12/20/05 2:50:18 PM
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Thank you. :-D
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Post #238,644
12/20/05 2:53:24 PM
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is that before or after jerking the chain?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #238,675
12/20/05 4:58:07 PM
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Right after...
bionerd says that she wants a Neanderthal, and people start trying to impress her. ;-)
But you're right. I did go overboard. I shouldn't have made my post that personal. I'm sorry for having done so.
However I still think it obvious that guys who are successful with women tend to be jerks. Cause and effect is not so obvious, but the correlation is clear.
A note about cause and effect in this case. Most here seem to believe that jerks have an advantage with women. But cause could easily go the other way: if you have easy success with women, you have less incentive to pay attention to their feelings. And the relationship might be very indirect. For instance practice makes perfect. So men who are really good at picking up women are likely to be men who have done a lot of it. Which gives jerks an advantage, because they keep picking up women after they've already succeeded.
But whatever the cause, we've all seen the result. There are a lot of jerks who are unreasonably successful with women.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #238,646
12/20/05 2:58:05 PM
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Of course, you did marry a jerk
So perhaps it only works up to a certain age/level of experience.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #238,706
12/20/05 7:41:17 PM
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Doesn't matter
There's always fresh meat.
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Post #238,718
12/20/05 10:25:28 PM
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Unavoidable - the \ufffdber-Jerks are in Stealth mode the longest
It is no shame to have been less than paranoid in advancing some trust (that 'cure'.. can be worse than the disease, later to be fended off.)
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Post #239,017
12/22/05 4:24:02 PM
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Of course, if you had been more persistant
perhaps I wouldnt have. Lot of help you were.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #239,133
12/23/05 7:19:55 AM
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+3: Innovation!___;^>
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Post #238,668
12/20/05 4:31:19 PM
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Being too nice gets no respect.
Most people don't respect a person who will do anything for them.
For example, if a man will accept any kind of behavior from a woman (e.g. always doing exactly what she wants, never complaining if the changes her mind at the last second), then she will often test the limits, trying to find (consciously or unconsciously) when he will stand up (and it's been that way for a long time
So it can help to expect certain behavoriors, and be prepared to dump the woman if she does not conform; it did help me. I view this as "being myself".
And, despite what many women say, woman often really do want to be dominated by a man, and enjoy a certain level of conflict. (OK, before Bionerd blows up at me, I mean partial domination - the man being the stronger - not complete).
Tony
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Post #238,514
12/18/05 10:59:36 PM
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Well, I kept communications lines open . . .
. . with "N" (the nurse). Now she's repeated that she respects me and likes my attitude, so can we be friends?
Another obvious case of "nice guys never get the girl" syndrome here, but I haven't anything to lose at this point so I told her "sure, I don't have a problem with that". That should completely finish off any lingering respect she may have harbored for my manliness.
But, hell, she can join the collection of women who are my "friends", and if it ever comes to that, can join the elite group who has slept in my living room while fighting with their husbands. Nothing new here.
Damn, when's that book going to get here so I can learn to be abusive to women and win thier love instead of their respect?
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #238,523
12/19/05 6:18:29 AM
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Just hang out with me for a couple of weeks.
You'll get a hell of an education according to my wife.
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Post #238,529
12/19/05 9:34:12 AM
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ask her if she has any loose friends you can nail
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #238,592
12/19/05 11:48:53 PM
12/19/05 11:58:24 PM
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Hmmm . . . this book may not be so useful after all.
It's way too structured.
First section presents "the nine different types of seducer" and tells me I must fit into one of the descriptions. I am uncomfortable with all of them.
Then it has "the 18 different types of victim", none of which describes any person I'm looking to seduce.
The book is oriented to the person who wishes to devote his or her life to seduction and selects victims primarily for their vulnerability. That is not my objective.
My objective is to get the job done and be done with it and I'm not particularly seeking exploitable vulnerability in a permanent partner.
Well, on to the "Process" section to see if anything useful can be learned from from that part.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #238,613
12/20/05 9:39:28 AM
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And you thought it would be???
Honestly.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #238,620
12/20/05 10:56:40 AM
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I'm sure the techniques in it are effective . . .
. . if you're an 18th century nobleman with tons of leisure time and plenty of social connections. Applying them today would be like applying the military techniques of the Napoleonic wars in the jungles of Viet Nam. In fact the authors kind of dwell on the Napoleonic period. - If I had the leisure time and selection of victims this book says are necessary, I certainly would have no use for this silly book.
- It dwells continuously on selecting the victims by their being victims - not what I'm looking for in a woman.
- It's core presumption is that you will seduce and then abandon the seduced for the next victim - so not my objective.
- The book presumes you're interested in becoming a career seducer and willing to "do it by the numbers" rather than by native talent.
And to answer your question, no, I didn't (see rather tongue in cheek comments elsewhere in thread - such as shelving it with the MBA's Official Handbook). All in all, this book is a harmless fantasy like a historical romance - pure escapism. It could only be of practical application to a few "intellectuals of leisure" and social parasites. On the other hand, a book on guerilla tactics in modern settings could be helpful, so I'll look for one of those. [link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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