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Post #235,643 by folkert 11/23/05 9:37:01 AM Reply	Very Lean, comparatively Xorg is significantly lighter on resource use, while using E!. Matter of fact Metacity used 25MB and E! only uses 10MB. Infact, that is with a ton of special fun stuffs enabled. Xorg went from 200MB of resources IN USE with a tons reserved using Metcity, down to 100MB with E!. Mind you, I was running Evolution, about 50 terms, VMware(with 768MB allocated), Firefox, GAIM and a crap-shoot of other proggys. Even @ home it rocks. Oh, I changed Window Managers with out restarting X or GNOME or even logging out. Everything survived. The only problem I haven't figured out is registering the config stuff with GNOME, so it works from the "windows" thinger in the gnome-tool-center Oh, also all key-bindings seem to be controlled by E! now... a bit annoying at first, but very very manageable. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #235,653 by pwhysall 11/23/05 10:36:06 AM Reply	OT: X's reported memory usage means nowt Every lil' mmap() that uses shared memory is in that total. Gauging X's performance by the size of its RSS is a fruitless exercise. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #235,738 by folkert 11/23/05 6:14:02 PM Reply	Yes, I understand that is the case. But, I m talking about the code and data stack. Those two mean more than RSS. But in anycase. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.

Novell/SuSE moving to GNOME as default enterprise desktop - (pwhysall) - (128) - Nov. 10, 2005, 03:03:11 AM EST

Something tells me the KDE folks forgot to . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 10, 2005, 03:33:56 AM EST

OTOH, SuSE founder and kernel hacker quits. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 10, 2005, 08:28:50 AM EST

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:24:45 AM EST

OT - any luck - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:34:36 AM EST

Oh! - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 23, 2005, 02:49:38 PM EST

Never! - (ubernostrum) - (112) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:06:44 AM EST

Sombody want to whack him with The Sign? -NT - (drewk) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:36:33 AM EST

Heh, Gnome. It's still crap. - (imric) - (109) - Nov. 10, 2005, 12:07:09 PM EST

I lasted a while this time. - (static) - Nov. 10, 2005, 05:58:41 PM EST

It's the apps, stupid. - (pwhysall) - (15) - Nov. 11, 2005, 12:33:34 AM EST

That's brilliant! - (cwbrenn) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:15:45 AM EST

The criticism stands, and is as follows: - (pwhysall) - (3) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:21:37 AM EST

I'm not screaming "freedom..." - (cwbrenn) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:19:06 AM EST

I know. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:35:39 AM EST

My recollection is similar to BDR's. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 11, 2005, 11:10:59 AM EST

That's one of the reasons I keep checking it out. - (imric) - (9) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:58:58 AM EST

Forget usability for a moment. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:35:26 AM EST

EXACT opposite on Mepis - (imric) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:56:31 AM EST

That is my biggest irritation about Linux distros - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 11, 2005, 01:34:34 PM EST

Spatial == ass, IMO - (admin) - (5) - Nov. 11, 2005, 11:19:45 AM EST

What is "spatial"? - (cwbrenn) - (4) - Nov. 12, 2005, 02:07:20 PM EST

Spatial: each folder gets its own window - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 12, 2005, 02:51:56 PM EST

Spring-loaded folders roxxor. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 03:31:09 PM EST

They're patented by Apple. -NT - (altmann) - Nov. 12, 2005, 04:13:42 PM EST

That's one of the reasons why I prefer File Commander. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 12, 2005, 04:18:16 PM EST

Nobody's making you use GNOME. - (ubernostrum) - (91) - Nov. 11, 2005, 12:36:58 AM EST

ROFL - I know. - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 11, 2005, 07:05:03 AM EST

You undermine your own argument. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 12:17:12 AM EST

More stuff and nonsense. - (imric) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:29:55 AM EST

Just to let you all know... - (folkert) - (87) - Nov. 11, 2005, 03:59:05 PM EST

Damn, I gotta meet somebody like that... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 11, 2005, 04:13:56 PM EST

Greg? - (imric) - (85) - Nov. 11, 2005, 04:25:07 PM EST

Really? - (ubernostrum) - (82) - Nov. 12, 2005, 12:19:52 AM EST

Except that KDE actually works. - (imric) - (81) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:33:18 AM EST

Works so well, in fact... - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:17:36 AM EST

Skip uses Mepis. Mepis isn't dropping KDE. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:49:44 AM EST

Yeah and did you see the uproar from the users at Novell - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 12, 2005, 06:17:35 PM EST

s/users/KDE developers/ -NT - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 05:33:24 PM EST

According to YOU. - (imric) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:45:56 PM EST

Re: Except that KDE actually works. - (ubernostrum) - (75) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:08:05 PM EST

Waiting for the ad hominem when you ran out of logic. - (imric) - (74) - Nov. 13, 2005, 05:05:35 PM EST

And yet you don't seem to have any responses. - (ubernostrum) - (73) - Nov. 13, 2005, 05:32:01 PM EST

ROFL. - (imric) - (72) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:51:40 PM EST

Configurability. - (ubernostrum) - (71) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:43:47 PM EST

Re: Configurability. - (admin) - (70) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:54:01 PM EST

Re: Configurability. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:04:01 PM EST

Removing options - (ubernostrum) - (68) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:11:00 PM EST

Simpler to use, keeps use focused, reduces errors - (admin) - (67) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:49:07 PM EST

Simple/Complex - (altmann) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:05:52 PM EST

Re: Simple/Complex - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:13:27 PM EST

hey! thats what I do for a living :-) - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:07:42 PM EST

When's the last time you looked at Nautilus? - (ubernostrum) - (59) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:17:56 AM EST

And this invalidates my point somehow? - (admin) - (58) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:15:14 AM EST

So which do you want? - (ubernostrum) - (57) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:16:06 PM EST

That isn't his point. - (folkert) - (56) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:00:50 PM EST

Re: That isn't his point. - (ubernostrum) - (55) - Nov. 15, 2005, 08:15:53 PM EST

So have we finally come back to GNOME usability? - (static) - (5) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:15:50 PM EST

ObLRPD. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 16, 2005, 08:00:05 AM EST

You know, it's funny. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2005, 11:01:33 PM EST

Re: You know, it's funny. - (altmann) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:10:38 AM EST

I find it pretty handy. - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 17, 2005, 06:27:21 PM EST

I now see why you've been upsetting people in here. - (static) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:03:35 PM EST

Please... - (folkert) - (48) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:53:15 AM EST

Please... - (ubernostrum) - (47) - Nov. 17, 2005, 06:31:40 PM EST

Try at least reading your own posts - (drewk) - (46) - Nov. 18, 2005, 07:20:54 AM EST

That I did. - (ubernostrum) - (45) - Nov. 18, 2005, 05:33:11 PM EST

No you're not. You're not wondering at all. - (cwbrenn) - (44) - Nov. 18, 2005, 07:31:40 PM EST

Whoa, there, cowboy! - (ubernostrum) - (43) - Nov. 19, 2005, 08:24:55 PM EST

Points you missed. - (folkert) - (42) - Nov. 21, 2005, 01:50:54 PM EST

Re: Points you missed. - (ubernostrum) - (41) - Nov. 21, 2005, 07:53:33 PM EST

Last word I will speak to you. - (imric) - (6) - Nov. 21, 2005, 08:33:07 PM EST

Re: Last word I will speak to you. - (ubernostrum) - (5) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:02:42 AM EST

There's this thing called "history". - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:23:02 AM EST

And we know where calumniation leads. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:24:11 AM EST

Ooh, I know this game! - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 05:04:31 AM EST

Since you asked. - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:00:27 AM EST

Let's try it again then. (new thread) - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:13:04 AM EST

Actually, dung-for-brains, you didn't. (new thread) - (static) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:22:31 PM EST

I really haven't paid much attention here - (bepatient) - (15) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:46:38 PM EST

Re: I really haven't paid much attention here - (ubernostrum) - (14) - Nov. 22, 2005, 01:50:28 AM EST

Hmm - (bepatient) - (13) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:08:15 AM EST

A couple things - (ubernostrum) - (12) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:44:16 AM EST

Nits - (bepatient) - (11) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:06:33 AM EST

I never got it with Warp. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:08:47 AM EST

It wasn't pretty, granted - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:32:11 AM EST

And, it could be made quite pretty - (jake123) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:40:28 AM EST

I thought its font handling was spectacularly awful. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:44:15 AM EST

The early iterations of the TT handling _were_ awful - (jake123) - Nov. 22, 2005, 11:37:19 AM EST

Re: Nits - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:40:19 AM EST

OT: Please don't put things in quotes unless you're quoting - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:59:33 AM EST

When I quote - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 23, 2005, 04:12:32 AM EST

He seems to be listening to you. - (static) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 08:04:37 PM EST

Well. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:15:15 AM EST

Do you blame me for losing my temper? (new thread) - (static) - Nov. 24, 2005, 07:02:05 PM EST

Perhaps I see the problem. - (Another Scott) - (15) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:57:05 PM EST

It feels like this essay might be appropriate here - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2005, 10:47:34 PM EST

That's good. +5 Informative. -NT - (static) - Nov. 22, 2005, 12:53:51 AM EST

Actually. - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:12:52 AM EST

I agree with on this one, - (Moriarty) - Nov. 21, 2005, 10:55:52 PM EST

Actually. - (ubernostrum) - (10) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:09:44 AM EST

The parent to this post summarizes the stymie perfectly. - (folkert) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:20:57 AM EST

"Enlightenment by choice" - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:48:59 AM EST

The WM is only one aspect of the environment, Barry. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 22, 2005, 11:46:43 AM EST

To me, it's a simple dichotomy. - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:21:44 AM EST

WEEEEEE! (Great gallopin' goshes) - (folkert) - (5) - Nov. 22, 2005, 01:23:47 PM EST

What hardware are you running that on? - (Another Scott) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:27:46 PM EST

Re: What hardware are you running that on? - (pwhysall) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:32:35 PM EST

Very Lean, comparatively - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:37:01 AM EST

OT: X's reported memory usage means nowt - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 10:36:06 AM EST

Yes, I understand that is the case. - (folkert) - Nov. 23, 2005, 06:14:02 PM EST

Points mangled too, though? - (Ashton) - Nov. 21, 2005, 11:10:27 PM EST

And regarding "focus" - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:26:12 AM EST

Then explain how configurability causes lack of focus. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:18:33 AM EST

Again. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:24:46 PM EST

You sure about the JFK bit? I got doubts... -NT - (hnick) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:40:59 PM EST

Yeah... I know. - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 01:46:27 AM EST

*smile* - (imric) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:34:59 AM EST

Thats why I choose "none of the above" - (bepatient) - Nov. 10, 2005, 08:57:18 PM EST

Gnomes are so cute! I love that Travelocity guy! :0) -NT - (imqwerky) - (2) - Nov. 10, 2005, 09:21:19 PM EST

IFS -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:23:45 AM EST

And you flushed me for saying Gnomes are cute. :-P -NT - (imqwerky) - Nov. 23, 2005, 11:37:00 PM EST

Well, wasn't that fun? - (pwhysall) - (6) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:05:35 AM EST

Go away, this is good clean fun. - (admin) - (5) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:14:17 AM EST

Mind where you're waving that thing. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:20:03 AM EST

Well... - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:58:58 AM EST

That wasn't my sister... - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 10:37:21 AM EST

I wouldn't have made that mistake - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 05:18:00 PM EST

With *your* eyes? Puleeze. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 23, 2005, 05:28:19 PM EST

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