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Post #235,119 by ben_tilly 11/19/05 12:27:27 PM Reply	OK, they invented. Will they build the next business model? I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #235,136 by bepatient 11/19/05 2:00:21 PM Reply	We'll see but its very certainly the plan and there's alot of revenue attached to it already. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #235,146 by ben_tilly 11/19/05 3:15:18 PM Reply	That we will. (I'm betting on Skype and relatives.) I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #235,149 by bepatient 11/19/05 3:22:41 PM Reply	Too limited its not about the device anymore. It has to be across a broad spectum of devices, net or wireless...and they all have to interconnect seemlessly. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #235,155 by drewk 11/19/05 4:37:07 PM Reply	Seemlessly? Is that anything like unseemly? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #235,161 by bepatient 11/19/05 5:17:55 PM Reply	grrrr If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

I'm *shocked*! Oil execs met with Cheney's task force. - (Another Scott) - (93) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:55:16 AM EST

I suppose it would make more sense to invite them to - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:57:52 PM EST

I have no problem with them meeting Cheney's task force. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:29:32 PM EST

I object to them *being* Cheney's task force -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:24 AM EDT

Um, I don't get the problem - (bepatient) - (81) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:11:23 PM EST

Why am I not surprised? -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:33:19 PM EST

I see so the ILA should run IT shops - (boxley) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:37:57 PM EST

I think you do. - (Another Scott) - (49) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:37:22 PM EST

Lets see, energy policy should receive input from env groups - (boxley) - (48) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:41:00 PM EST

I guess only the police should have input on the law then? - (Another Scott) - (46) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:50:48 PM EST

I agree the meetings should have been open to the public - (boxley) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:54:28 PM EST

There are several problems - (bepatient) - (43) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:58:40 PM EST

Well, they're right about one thing - (jake123) - (42) - Nov. 17, 2005, 12:05:10 AM EST

They *are* investing - (scoenye) - (40) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:16:22 PM EST

Read "The Innovator's Dilemma" - (ben_tilly) - (39) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:20:04 PM EST

dunno BP owns a lot of patents and is doing own R&D -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:18:26 PM EST

That doesn't help. Read the book for why. - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:27:21 AM EST

So you don't think - (bepatient) - (36) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:15:09 AM EST

No, I think Big Oil != Nynex - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2005, 11:47:00 AM EST

So you don't equate - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:01:56 PM EST

one is an evul environmental horror with ties to Whitehouse - (boxley) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:08:09 PM EST

They may well invent and promote it... - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Nov. 18, 2005, 08:55:48 PM EST

Then there's the classic: Gillette and Bic - (jake123) - (24) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:11:09 PM EST

Not quite a classic illustration of this particular point - (ben_tilly) - (23) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:25:12 PM EST

I don't think that'll happen. - (Another Scott) - (22) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:43:03 PM EST

Of course he failed - that is according to theory - (ben_tilly) - (12) - Nov. 18, 2005, 10:18:13 PM EST

predictions - (cforde) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:54:06 AM EST

Not so much the ability to grok, as the will to risk -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:59:15 AM EST

Not so simple. Read the book. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2005, 01:48:07 AM EST

Definitely - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2005, 01:44:49 AM EST

case study - (cforde) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2005, 03:19:54 AM EST

Very true - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:43:11 AM EST

Electrics, batteries - and the 5% problem - (Ashton) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 05:32:15 AM EST

Great post. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 19, 2005, 08:16:57 AM EST

ObLRPD: Solar powered jet packs. I think that's the ticket. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 19, 2005, 08:18:42 AM EST

My copy of the book is in storage or I'd give numbers - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:52:24 PM EST

This paper from MIT in 2000 is interesting. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 02:24:12 PM EST

What I mean by "good enough"... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:02:53 PM EST

Not that I care...but looking at history... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Nov. 19, 2005, 11:03:33 AM EST

Good point. But they're selling a service, not a Thing. -NT - (Another Scott) - (7) - Nov. 19, 2005, 11:10:31 AM EST

Kodak sold things. They're hurting pretty badly. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:28:36 PM EST

But thats a different beast - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 02:02:30 PM EST

Again, read the book. - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:13:51 PM EST

I will actually. Looks interesting - (bepatient) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:20:21 PM EST

Organization learning.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Nov. 20, 2005, 11:52:14 AM EST

And that is reinforced... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 20, 2005, 12:22:31 PM EST

It's not so black and white. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 20, 2005, 12:43:34 PM EST

They spun the business and remerged it several times - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 19, 2005, 10:24:58 AM EST

OK, they invented. Will they build the next business model? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:27:27 PM EST

We'll see - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2005, 02:00:21 PM EST

That we will. (I'm betting on Skype and relatives.) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:15:18 PM EST

Too limited - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:22:41 PM EST

Seemlessly? Is that anything like unseemly? -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 04:37:07 PM EST

grrrr -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 19, 2005, 05:17:55 PM EST

1/2 of BP R&D is recylcling and new energy sources -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:30:12 PM EST

More like saying the Mafia should write the law. -NT - (JayMehaffey) - Nov. 16, 2005, 04:45:48 PM EST

That's a fair question.... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:52:26 PM EST

The problem is evasion of "sunshine laws". - (a6l6e6x) - (28) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:37:37 PM EST

So every meeting of every public servant - (bepatient) - (27) - Nov. 16, 2005, 06:00:11 PM EST

Welcome to Government Service... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 16, 2005, 06:42:03 PM EST

yep, absolutely - (boxley) - (23) - Nov. 16, 2005, 07:58:48 PM EST

Disagree - (bepatient) - (22) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:47:58 PM EST

Nor would I - - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:23:42 AM EST

I just got back from a "step in front" - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:27:15 AM EST

Qualification on your disagreement - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:47:11 AM EST

Any loophole will be used enthusiastically. -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:56:54 AM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (imric) - Nov. 17, 2005, 11:36:42 AM EST

If you can say that with a straight face... - (inthane-chan) - (7) - Nov. 17, 2005, 12:39:09 PM EST

I would regardless - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 17, 2005, 01:49:22 PM EST

Extremes again - (hnick) - (3) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:20:42 PM EST

Not that extreme - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:24:27 PM EST

That would be nice - (hnick) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:33:15 PM EST

I see we are forgetting a simple credo - (bepatient) - Nov. 17, 2005, 07:55:28 PM EST

Speaking of "Government Relations". - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 08:26:36 AM EST

proves they are cheap bastards, thats all - (boxley) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:31:52 AM EST

Litmus test - (imqwerky) - (8) - Nov. 17, 2005, 11:38:39 PM EST

Let's see... - (Another Scott) - Nov. 17, 2005, 11:53:42 PM EST

No - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:12:55 AM EST

Aha! - (imqwerky) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:21:34 AM EST

Don't think you understand - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 18, 2005, 10:41:17 AM EST

This has gone from funny to sad... - (hnick) - Nov. 18, 2005, 11:02:32 AM EST

You're doing it again. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 11:16:51 AM EST

No, I'm not - (bepatient) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:11:12 PM EST

a previous employer did think it was ok to do same -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:33:30 AM EST

No. Only when $ignificant decision$ are to be made. - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 16, 2005, 08:54:32 PM EST

We have that - its called cspan - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:05 AM EDT

Energy Policy => Invade Iraq => .... => Profit... -NT - (ChrisR) - (7) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:40:01 PM EST

Re: Energy Policy => Invade Iraq => .... => Profit... - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:57:05 PM EST

We didn't go there for cheap oil -NT - (ChrisR) - (5) - Nov. 16, 2005, 06:31:07 PM EST

Then there is no Profit -NT - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:48:49 PM EST

Tell that to the oil companys -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:54:40 PM EST

a profit of - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:09:44 AM EST

... without Underwear! -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 11:15:36 PM EST

And then you can order more beer! -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:24:20 AM EST

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