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Post #234,750 by bepatient 11/17/05 5:24:27 PM Reply	Not that extreme because given the way this and the last several "advice" sessions have gone...all "outed" by the watchdog groups that many feel are necessary...the end result has always been very bad PR >at best<. If I were running a company I would have a completely changed process by now for my PAC group and my Gov Rltns team when dealing with the Fed...and it would start with "Thou shalt not" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #234,751 by hnick 11/17/05 5:33:15 PM Reply	That would be nice A government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations is called a fascist government. I'd prefer not to have one of those. I would like to see corporations stay out of government entirely. Then maybe people would get some representation; they sure can't outbid a major corp now. Maybe the last several advice sessions have been bad PR, because they benefited a few corps allied with the present government at the expense of the vast majority of citizens. And they got caught. Poor babies... that can't be allowed to stand. Lock them doors! Shutter the windows! We don't need no stinking democracy. On with the secrecy! Sheesh...
Post #234,770 by bepatient 11/17/05 7:55:28 PM Reply	I see we are forgetting a simple credo Those who can do, do Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym. Those who can't teach gym run for office. (ok...I made up that last one ;-) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

I'm *shocked*! Oil execs met with Cheney's task force. - (Another Scott) - (93) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:55:16 AM EST

I suppose it would make more sense to invite them to - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:57:52 PM EST

I have no problem with them meeting Cheney's task force. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:29:32 PM EST

I object to them *being* Cheney's task force -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:24 AM EDT

Um, I don't get the problem - (bepatient) - (81) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:11:23 PM EST

Why am I not surprised? -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:33:19 PM EST

I see so the ILA should run IT shops - (boxley) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:37:57 PM EST

I think you do. - (Another Scott) - (49) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:37:22 PM EST

Lets see, energy policy should receive input from env groups - (boxley) - (48) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:41:00 PM EST

I guess only the police should have input on the law then? - (Another Scott) - (46) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:50:48 PM EST

I agree the meetings should have been open to the public - (boxley) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:54:28 PM EST

There are several problems - (bepatient) - (43) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:58:40 PM EST

Well, they're right about one thing - (jake123) - (42) - Nov. 17, 2005, 12:05:10 AM EST

They *are* investing - (scoenye) - (40) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:16:22 PM EST

Read "The Innovator's Dilemma" - (ben_tilly) - (39) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:20:04 PM EST

dunno BP owns a lot of patents and is doing own R&D -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:18:26 PM EST

That doesn't help. Read the book for why. - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:27:21 AM EST

So you don't think - (bepatient) - (36) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:15:09 AM EST

No, I think Big Oil != Nynex - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2005, 11:47:00 AM EST

So you don't equate - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:01:56 PM EST

one is an evul environmental horror with ties to Whitehouse - (boxley) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:08:09 PM EST

They may well invent and promote it... - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Nov. 18, 2005, 08:55:48 PM EST

Then there's the classic: Gillette and Bic - (jake123) - (24) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:11:09 PM EST

Not quite a classic illustration of this particular point - (ben_tilly) - (23) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:25:12 PM EST

I don't think that'll happen. - (Another Scott) - (22) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:43:03 PM EST

Of course he failed - that is according to theory - (ben_tilly) - (12) - Nov. 18, 2005, 10:18:13 PM EST

predictions - (cforde) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:54:06 AM EST

Not so much the ability to grok, as the will to risk -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:59:15 AM EST

Not so simple. Read the book. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2005, 01:48:07 AM EST

Definitely - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2005, 01:44:49 AM EST

case study - (cforde) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2005, 03:19:54 AM EST

Very true - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:43:11 AM EST

Electrics, batteries - and the 5% problem - (Ashton) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 05:32:15 AM EST

Great post. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 19, 2005, 08:16:57 AM EST

ObLRPD: Solar powered jet packs. I think that's the ticket. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 19, 2005, 08:18:42 AM EST

My copy of the book is in storage or I'd give numbers - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:52:24 PM EST

This paper from MIT in 2000 is interesting. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 02:24:12 PM EST

What I mean by "good enough"... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:02:53 PM EST

Not that I care...but looking at history... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Nov. 19, 2005, 11:03:33 AM EST

Good point. But they're selling a service, not a Thing. -NT - (Another Scott) - (7) - Nov. 19, 2005, 11:10:31 AM EST

Kodak sold things. They're hurting pretty badly. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:28:36 PM EST

But thats a different beast - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 02:02:30 PM EST

Again, read the book. - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:13:51 PM EST

I will actually. Looks interesting - (bepatient) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:20:21 PM EST

Organization learning.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Nov. 20, 2005, 11:52:14 AM EST

And that is reinforced... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 20, 2005, 12:22:31 PM EST

It's not so black and white. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 20, 2005, 12:43:34 PM EST

They spun the business and remerged it several times - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 19, 2005, 10:24:58 AM EST

OK, they invented. Will they build the next business model? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:27:27 PM EST

We'll see - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2005, 02:00:21 PM EST

That we will. (I'm betting on Skype and relatives.) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:15:18 PM EST

Too limited - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2005, 03:22:41 PM EST

Seemlessly? Is that anything like unseemly? -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 04:37:07 PM EST

grrrr -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 19, 2005, 05:17:55 PM EST

1/2 of BP R&D is recylcling and new energy sources -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:30:12 PM EST

More like saying the Mafia should write the law. -NT - (JayMehaffey) - Nov. 16, 2005, 04:45:48 PM EST

That's a fair question.... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:52:26 PM EST

The problem is evasion of "sunshine laws". - (a6l6e6x) - (28) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:37:37 PM EST

So every meeting of every public servant - (bepatient) - (27) - Nov. 16, 2005, 06:00:11 PM EST

Welcome to Government Service... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 16, 2005, 06:42:03 PM EST

yep, absolutely - (boxley) - (23) - Nov. 16, 2005, 07:58:48 PM EST

Disagree - (bepatient) - (22) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:47:58 PM EST

Nor would I - - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:23:42 AM EST

I just got back from a "step in front" - (boxley) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:27:15 AM EST

Qualification on your disagreement - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:47:11 AM EST

Any loophole will be used enthusiastically. -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:56:54 AM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (imric) - Nov. 17, 2005, 11:36:42 AM EST

If you can say that with a straight face... - (inthane-chan) - (7) - Nov. 17, 2005, 12:39:09 PM EST

I would regardless - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 17, 2005, 01:49:22 PM EST

Extremes again - (hnick) - (3) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:20:42 PM EST

Not that extreme - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:24:27 PM EST

That would be nice - (hnick) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:33:15 PM EST

I see we are forgetting a simple credo - (bepatient) - Nov. 17, 2005, 07:55:28 PM EST

Speaking of "Government Relations". - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 08:26:36 AM EST

proves they are cheap bastards, thats all - (boxley) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:31:52 AM EST

Litmus test - (imqwerky) - (8) - Nov. 17, 2005, 11:38:39 PM EST

Let's see... - (Another Scott) - Nov. 17, 2005, 11:53:42 PM EST

No - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:12:55 AM EST

Aha! - (imqwerky) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:21:34 AM EST

Don't think you understand - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 18, 2005, 10:41:17 AM EST

This has gone from funny to sad... - (hnick) - Nov. 18, 2005, 11:02:32 AM EST

You're doing it again. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 11:16:51 AM EST

No, I'm not - (bepatient) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:11:12 PM EST

a previous employer did think it was ok to do same -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 18, 2005, 09:33:30 AM EST

No. Only when $ignificant decision$ are to be made. - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 16, 2005, 08:54:32 PM EST

We have that - its called cspan - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:05 AM EDT

Energy Policy => Invade Iraq => .... => Profit... -NT - (ChrisR) - (7) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:40:01 PM EST

Re: Energy Policy => Invade Iraq => .... => Profit... - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:57:05 PM EST

We didn't go there for cheap oil -NT - (ChrisR) - (5) - Nov. 16, 2005, 06:31:07 PM EST

Then there is no Profit -NT - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:48:49 PM EST

Tell that to the oil companys -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:54:40 PM EST

a profit of - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:09:44 AM EST

... without Underwear! -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 11:15:36 PM EST

And then you can order more beer! -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:24:20 AM EST

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