Post #228,052
10/4/05 8:18:11 PM
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That throws out any further analysis on my part.
In south east England, getting noticed before the official recruitment effort would usually get a yes or no after only 1 interview. Friends on the inside sell you enough to make the team compatibility interview unnecessary. Clearly, Michigan working culture differs from mine.
Anybody from bionerd's region?
Matthew Greet
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Post #228,058
10/4/05 9:00:24 PM
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Universities are a completely different bag altogether.
Bureaucrats and politics.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #228,099
10/5/05 9:04:08 AM
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You got that right.
Time marches on AND I NEED STABILITY! (This would never happen at Michigan State. :-))
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Welcome to Hollywood.
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Post #228,176
10/5/05 1:37:06 PM
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Why would it never happen at Michigan State?
I'm not saying that you should stop exploring other options - by all means get on with your life. But has there been specific news that you're not getting in at Michigan State?
Curious, Ben
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Post #228,195
10/5/05 2:35:14 PM
10/5/05 2:36:13 PM
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That was a reference to the rivalry between the 2 schools.
I went to Michigan State. Scott went to the University of Mich. I'll always be a Spartan at heart, even if we lose miserably to the Wolverines in football every year.
Jesus was a star last week. Now he's tending bar on Melrose. Welcome to Hollywood.
Edited by bionerd
Oct. 5, 2005, 02:36:13 PM EDT
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Post #228,199
10/5/05 2:44:35 PM
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Not that bad
Two years of overtime thrillers would hardly be considered "los[ing] miserably."
Besides, my alma mater should've made ya proud this past January 1, beating the hell outta the Wolverines in the Rose Bowl. :)
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #228,377
10/6/05 9:34:34 AM
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And get this..
They emailed me for my references yesterday. My primary reference is sitting in THEIR corner office. Hello?! How do they think they found me in the first place?
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Post #228,385
10/6/05 10:35:39 AM
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That's called bureaucracy.
At least the process is moving forward.
Cheers, Ben
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Post #228,730
10/8/05 10:57:48 PM
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Re: That's called bureaucracy.
which sometimes means that the candidate is already chosen but they need to create a paper trail for HR
A
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Post #228,393
10/6/05 11:22:58 AM
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sounds like a good sign to me
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Post #228,636
10/7/05 1:58:29 PM
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you bet. all done but the signing... :-)
Have fun, Carl Forde
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Post #228,666
10/7/05 6:44:46 PM
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Not so fast
I've seen multiple candidates get most of the way through the process then die at the references stage.
In general you get a list of things that you were potentially concerned about based on what you saw in the interview. If the references confirm your worries, then that's it. If the references comfort you on the issues that you have, then they get one step further in the process.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #228,062
10/4/05 9:21:54 PM
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It varies by company/industry. A lot.
In fact it even varies within a company. Let me be specific on what it is where I work.
In my team (BTW, we're hiring...) you get hired after 2 interviews. One by phone. One in person with a team of interviewers. If we need to fly you across the country, then we add a second phone interview to decide whether it is really worth the expense of flying you.
The phone screen is meant to filter out people whose skills are obviously not good enough, the team interview is primarily technical, but also will turn up compatibility problems and gives the interviewee the oportunity to ask questions.
If you're noticed because of inside connections, you still get 2 interviews, though the phone one may become much shorter.
If you're noticed because we tried to hire you in the past and you didn't accept, you'll only need 1 interview, or in a few rare cases, none.
In all cases we do usual stuff such as call references and a basic background check. If you are recommended from inside, the insider will probably be one of the references that we talk to. If we tried to hire you in the past, we probably have some of that data on you already and may skip steps.
Note, as I've mentioned before, we've yet to hire a programmer that we are unhappy with, and we've yet to have a programmer quit. In short, this hiring process seems to work very well for us.
The rules that I've just given are very team specific. If you're being hired here to do HTML, be a DBA, or to be a product manager (we're hiring all of those as well right now...), the hiring process will be different.
For instance I think that the HTML designer's hire is working like this. We send you an image that is a mockup of a desired HTML page, with annotations about specific fonts, spacings, etc, and also give all graphics that you'll need to create that page. You're allowed to ask questions, and you have to try to produce HTML that will result in the desired web page. If you succeed and your HTML is reasonable, then you'll be asked for a compatibility interview. After that, we'll do "the usual stuff" then extend an offer. I may be missing a step or three though - I'm not part of that hiring process. But even so you can see that it is very different than what programmers go through.
Cheers, B4en
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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