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New email to an old friend
She wrote me recently mentioning that her father, who she last saw in 1970 or 1971 (around the time we were an item), is in failing health. The father or the (detested) stepmother—it wasn't clear—has implored her to visit. She didn't ask for my advice on this issue, but I offered it unsolicited. I wonder whether on the basis of the context provided folks here feel I was right or wrong...
Short version: Go to the Valley.

Dear A**--

I well remember tales of the "Giant Toad," and related epithets attaching to the stepmother, and how little sympathy was involved in relations between the two of you, or between you and your father, for that matter, during that turbulent period in our and the society's history. I have the impression as well, although I don't think I learned it from you, that your own mother died when you were twelve or thirteen. Independent as we later felt ourselves, we were still none of us quite ready at the threshold of adolescence to manage the transition solo with entire confidence, and whether it was death or divorce that deranged our domestic circumstances, I think that those of us who made the transition without an intact and at least halfway functional family behind us perhaps never contrived to set that first foot on the path entirely firmly.

However—to switch limbs abruptly—we play the hand we're dealt. I've never had a lot of sympathy with people who, unlike thee and me, piss and moan over their "dysfunctional" childhoods. One's father was a lush; one's mother was cold—get over it. Things are tough all over, and we've all got our threescore and ten to live, so don't bother me.

Except. Except:

Those aren't the same people you left behind in 1971, and you're not the same woman who left. The Giant Toad was your stepmother for perhaps sixty difficult months during which the two of you were at hammers and tongs, but since your last pissing match my own sister has become a mother and then a grandmother thrice over. In other words: A. Long. Time. People change.

I'm not suggesting that you and the GT should become best buds, or make the attempt. The few years you were obliged to share one another's company were not happy, and there's no reason to pretend otherwise now. But there's also no reason to pick up the quarrel afresh—no reason to treat her other than with a distant courtesy as you respond to the invitation to connect with, after all...

...your dying father.

Yes, he betrayed you; yes, he sided with the GT during the E** Salient of the culture wars back in 1970. But at one time as a very small person you adored him and you trusted him, and at one time, far, far back in the past he held his little girl and his eyes teared up at the sight of you. And now he has a very short time to live, and he wants to make peace with his only child, and wants to imagine that his only child is prepared to make peace with him.

I think you should. Make peace if you can, and even if this involves you in a certain amount of emotional pain; make peace as well if you have to fake it and actually feel nothing (but try, try to be convincing); make peace because the parent-child connection means something, and is etched into the very matrix of our genome; make peace because it is an act of kindness, and because kindness trumps pride and it trumps past hurts, particularly because they are so long past. Make peace because an old man needs it so very badly, and because it will help him far more than it hurts you; make peace even because, if you make yourself receptive, it may connect you with taproots of pain you've spent a lifetime trying to deny, and in establishing those pathways might end in helping you more than it hurts.

I speak as a man who has lost one parent and two step-parents; I speak as a man who has loved you. Go to the Valley.
Am I right? Am I merely pompous? Should I just get the hell away to Puerto Vallarta?

cordially,

Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Beautiful. Yes, she should go, for all the reasons you gave.
New I guess this is what the practice is for
Frequently I read your posts and think the apparent effort is out of proportion to the triviality of the subject. Now I get it: You're using us for practice, so that when you have a real subject to address you're not rusty. It's perfect.
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Steve
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Expand Edited by Steve Lowe Sept. 28, 2005, 12:14:28 AM EDT
New effort?? triviality??
drewk sez:
Frequently I read your posts and think the apparent effort is out of proportion to the triviality of the subject.
I intend to dispatch paid Mexican assassins from Puerto Vallarta to avenge these insults! Have a care!

irately,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New <reagan>Well, there you go again.</reagan>
Don't make me reference the [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=225789|Mommy Dearest] thread.

Oops, too late.
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Expand Edited by drewk Sept. 28, 2005, 12:27:37 AM EDT
New Yes, you are right.
Perhaps by even mentioning it to you, she was subtly seeking advice.

Make peace if you can, and even if this involves you in a certain amount of emotional pain; make peace as well if you have to fake it and actually feel nothing (but try, try to be convincing); make peace because the parent-child connection means something, and is etched into the very matrix of our genome; make peace because it is an act of kindness, and because kindness trumps pride and it trumps past hurts, particularly because they are so long past. Make peace because an old man needs it so very badly, and because it will help him far more than it hurts you; make peace even because, if you make yourself receptive, it may connect you with taproots of pain you've spent a lifetime trying to deny, and in establishing those pathways might end in helping you more than it hurts.


Well done. Is very to the point for her situation, and in a larger sense a life truth. Life is hard, no one said it would be easy. Our pain and trials only serve to grow us, on so many levels.

If she chooses this road, once she makes it through to the other side she'll be kicking herself in the ass wondering why she wasted so much time.
--
Steve
[link|http://www.ubuntulinux.org|Ubuntu]
New You are definitely correct...
...*and* you should get the hell away to Puerto Vallarta. Just because.
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New Well done
I agree, you have to go for such things, otherwise there will always be regret.

'course you said it better.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Yes. Reminds me of something I read once
it was in a collection of rememberances in the book Ten Lost Years, about the Depression:

"One thing the kids need to know is that you never regret the things you did: only the things you didn't do."
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New Passes the BS test
Erring on the side of compassion appears to be an area where the billions of words written by or for the masses seem to converge as ~~> The Good.

Even Krishna, on the one hand - trying to coach young Arjuna about the occasional need for bloody Force, even against an Uncle's clan - next manifests (just for Arjuna's pleasure + Terror) as Siva.. Vishnu.. all-a-Unity: Death!

Look, I Am Become Death, The Destroyer of Worlds !!

Then reverts, lest a fragile homo-sap blood-pump goeth into fibrillation (I don't think there's a Sanskrit word for that!)

So then, better she hear the Universal Ichor from thee, an old connection - than some raw equivalent, heavily Freud-laden.. all soggy and hard to light, Y'know? (You've got a bunch of Interesting Deities on your side, in any event.)


moi

New there is a warm heart behind the facade
You are right, and expressed it beautifully. Would that I could do as well.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
New You are right.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
]
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


New She is lucky to have you as a friend.

The truth will set you free.
New Not one word wasted
Very good advice, indeed!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
\r\n[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Quite right.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New It's never too late...while they are still here
Of course she should go.

I used to fight with my mother. We grew up in a very bad relationship. It didn't even begin to get better until 1995, when my ex-fiance left.

Since then I have worked hard on building a new relationship with my mother, one that works. One that we can enjoy and cherish throughout the years to come, and so that neither of us have any regrets in the end... whenever it comes.

Beautifully written, Rand.

Brenda



"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
New It is good advice to an old friend, Rand.
While you have said it well, the more important thing is what you said.

Temporary discomfort or not and when all is said and done, if she follows your advice, she will feel better about herself. Giving an old man some peace is just a bonus.
Alex

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
New your advice was correct
I myself will visit my mother on her deathbed except the old bat is liable to outlive me,
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Can't you be both?
Am I right? Am I merely pompous?
:-)

But seriously, some very good advice there and a fine piece of writing.
-----------------------------------------
George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New Very nice post....thanks
Of course, the Bard has his two cents..

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
...
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy.

Given 3 wishes, one of mine would be for mercy.
New I concur
A parent with which one has unfinished business is a knot. The death of that parent makes that knot impossible to resolve.

Even if she does not succeed, it is worth an attempt. She only stands to lose a little effort, and either way she will gain peace. Either the peace of resolving old issues, or the peace of knowing that she tried.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Short answer: You're right.
Longer answer: The sentiment expressed is one of (attempted) healing, and if nothing else, of preparing for the inevitable with the best possible forethought. I've read often (even in these hallowed electron stores) of regrets expressed because You Didn't Have Time/Opportunity/Forethought/Inkling of Impending Death/ to say one's final goodbyes (or at least, to make some contact before the final goodbyes). This letter is a gentle admonition to her (and to the rest of us) that while time may be infinite, our slice of it in this life is not, and neither is the slice that belongs to loved (or even formerly loved) ones.

She needs to make peace, as much as possible, with her past, so that she does not add to the store of regrets when her father finally passes.

You done good, Rand....
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New followup and adios
Baleful silence from old friend. I may have underestimated her loathing for the Giant Toad; probably overestimated the possibilities of an appeal to filial sentiment; perhaps offended. Oh well.

In other news, logging out and taking off. See youse mid-month, I think.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Have no regrets on the note. Have a good trip!!!
New Drive carefully! ;-)
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New You'll always know you tried.
You did good anyway, Rand.

Have a great trip!

Brenda



"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
New regardless of what the other people do...
you did your part with grace and dignity. Their choices are theirs to live with. I think you can live with yours comfortably.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
     email to an old friend - (rcareaga) - (27)
         Beautiful. Yes, she should go, for all the reasons you gave. -NT - (Another Scott)
         I guess this is what the practice is for - (drewk) - (3)
             Rcareaga LLC LP (Literary Practice) -NT - (Steve Lowe)
             effort?? triviality?? - (rcareaga) - (1)
                 <reagan>Well, there you go again.</reagan> - (drewk)
         Yes, you are right. - (Steve Lowe)
         You are definitely correct... - (Yendor)
         Well done - (tuberculosis) - (1)
             Yes. Reminds me of something I read once - (jake123)
         Passes the BS test - (Ashton)
         there is a warm heart behind the facade - (cforde)
         You are right. -NT - (imric)
         She is lucky to have you as a friend. -NT - (imqwerky)
         Not one word wasted - (bepatient)
         Quite right. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         It's never too late...while they are still here - (Nightowl)
         It is good advice to an old friend, Rand. - (a6l6e6x)
         your advice was correct - (boxley)
         Can't you be both? - (Silverlock)
         Very nice post....thanks - (dmcarls)
         I concur - (ben_tilly)
         Short answer: You're right. - (jb4)
         followup and adios - (rcareaga) - (4)
             Have no regrets on the note. Have a good trip!!! -NT - (Another Scott)
             Drive carefully! ;-) -NT - (jb4)
             You'll always know you tried. - (Nightowl)
             regardless of what the other people do... - (cforde)

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