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New Sorry, but now I just *have* to ask...
Ashton:
In some quarters, correct pronunciation is deemed either effete intellectual snobbery or .. Commyunist-inspired [don't ask].
Come now -- after that titillating invitation, how could I not?

I mean, "correct pronunciation is ... Commyunist-inspired"?!? Where the FUCK would they get THAT from???


In contrast: Surely the French possess one of the more euphonious languages extant
Actually, no -- IMO, it's really rather ugly. And I don't say this lightly or jokingly; I used to unthinkingly subscribe to the same "common knowledge" prejudice, but feel somehow vaguely bothered about it... Until a few years ago, when for the first time I really sat down and thunk about it. OK, so y'all'll (if that isn't a legitimate contraction, it *ought* to be! :-) probablly think I'm totally bonkers when I say I think German, for instance, sounds better... But that can't be helped, 'coz I do.


BUT - my experience in France (and Quebec) is that, any earnest attempt to speak.. is rewarded with goodwill (and the occasional whispered translation!). And if you do a pretty good job, on some oft needed phrases.. you might get a genuine smile of appreciation. Vivent longtemps la diff\ufffdrence!
Fuck yeah -- and it works everywhere, not just among Francophones.

Heinlein observed, in one of his "juveniles" (can't recall precisely which one -- perhaps _Podkayne of Mars_?), that just learning to say "Thank You" in the local language was likely to give you a huge leg up on anyone who couldn't even be bothered to do that. An approximate quote of his young protagonist learning a few: "In Finnish, they say 'Key Toss'; in Danish it's 'Money Talks' -- perhaps they're a very mercenary people..." (The sentence as a whole is almost guaranteed to be wrong, but I'm 100% sure the homophonous English phrases are the correct ones.)


So what do the Finns generally fuck-up
Hey, they're human -- so what *don't* they...?


Are elections as stoopid-based but with better language enroute?
Not quite as bad as yours; for one thing, they have more than two parties. It has interesting contrasts to the (much more similar than the American) Swedish system -- some in its favour, some not.


Cold climate more conducive to cerebral exercise than er temperate one?
Isn't that the Other Hoary Olde hypothesis, akin to the one about how the harsher conditions in the European climate made people by necessity more industrious, and thus just logical candidates to conquer and own the world? In some ways, it just seems to stand to reason -- in other, it smacks heavily of "White Man's Burden" justifications for, basically, racism.


(Maybe the sauna improves the specific pericosity of neurons, too ??
I'd speculate more along the lines of stimulating the flow of blood to the head (a cooling reflex), and thus more or less incidentally to the brain... Actually, I think there *is* such an effect -- it certainly *feels* as if there were! -- but if that's so, any such intellectual stimulation is probably only temporary, not permanent.


PS IMhO your "awr devr(uh)" example is a sufficient clarification
Eucharisto! :-)


and.. eventually eliding the 'uh' comes with just a few days of Listening to Others speaking..
Well, to be perfectly honest, I think even the French have *some*, albeit micro-minuscule, sound there. For one thing, it's just physiologically easier to pronounce v-r *in that order*, even for them, if you have *some* amount of aspiration after them; for another, remember that "silent" vowels were actually fully pronounced, once upon a long-ago -- maybe they just never went *completely* away? (And when they finally do, wouldn't it be about fucking time to eliminate them from the spelling too?)
   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
New Thought That one almost obvious (?)
Xenophobia Means! .. you are suspect! [of Something - not important what] should you happen to imagine that the Murican version [of anything] could be at all improved by: someone Else's version. So in the Mc Carthy era [now making a quick encore - oops! a furrin word. OK - rerun], when you combined the daily Drum-roll of Commyunists, even under yer bed - all a tryin to Kill ya dead, and season with the anti-intellectualism / attacks on tenure at Universities -

Sample: One UC Regent suggested, no difference between a professor and a janitor: both employees of the University That time it took about 3 years - to reverse the loyalty oath, restore professorships (those who would come back there) and eventually - back pay too. Not sure what will result: if it comes up again shortly..

French not euphonious? OK take second first. A popular prejudice among the barely literate: German sounds too.. too gutteral! (When I ever hear this; unlikely given who I hang out with - I just play Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing lieder: he of the almost infinite dynamic range and perfect diction as well. Case closed forever. (Well.. except for Treue Xenophobes o'course; nothin works with some)

Back to the heretical proposition: Thinking.. remembering.. Well, there's Edith Piaf or even Josephine Baker. C'est si bon !! murmured under right conditions. Je t'aime's a winner in any environment. Does Ich liebe Sie come close enough? carburant-inject\ufffd moteur vs kraftstoff-eingespritzter motor ...

Trying really hard.. I can give a certain nod to the idea of 'overrated', as I see lots of the drill being about learning some new (some would say unnecessarily weird) glottal adjustments -- of the sort which must drive AI attempts at translation - bonkers as in Please wait - reinstalling kernel, flushing cache. But I'll have to ponder this one - yes perhaps left-over brain washing; I admit I'm at least 1.42% imperfect in such matters!


Y'all'll ? why sho'nuff lil brother, that'n's a good'un; good as ary I ever did seen. Crimanentlies, Batman..

'Money Talks' .. well, haveing actually paid attention to er maenge taks and to be smartass, maenge toosend tak - I'd call that a bit wide of the mark. Think it's more like.. 'mang' (pronounced more like Kong as in King) with a bit of an 'uh' at the end + 'tock' (as in Tick-). No One\ufffd can ever pronounce R\ufffdd Gr\ufffdd med fl\ufffdde! until at least a year in Dk.

Howsomever.. We Are Needed, fellow nit-picker. As the slope

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moves towards a fraction of a centipoise in slipperiness, with the biz-mangling of All Language.. Ours is the Decent, the Honourable, the Fucking Sane Way to oppose all that mercantile maudlin Shit... everywhere in garish neon and 100 dB noise.

And I am unanimous in that.



Ashton the Vincible
     Heading to Chicago for Xmas - (SpiceWare) - (55)
         About 30 miles away - (Silverlock) - (46)
             Know right where it is - (SpiceWare) - (45)
                 Maybe we can meet when I go shopping - (Silverlock) - (44)
                     Sounds good to me. - (SpiceWare) - (43)
                         Monday? Meet for a couple/3 drinks? -NT - (Silverlock) - (42)
                             Sounds good. - (SpiceWare) - (41)
                                 What's yer email addie? - (Silverlock) - (40)
                                     sounds good - dropped you a note -NT - (SpiceWare)
                                     OT, Waay OT: Why do you folks call the main course "entree"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (38)
                                         Because that's what it is. - (Silverlock) - (36)
                                             In British English too, or just American? - (CRConrad) - (35)
                                                 Merriam-Webster - "the main course of a meal in the U.S." - (SpiceWare)
                                                 Plus it means I is reefined if'n I use furrin wurds. -NT - (Silverlock)
                                                 In .au, Entree = before the main meal - (Meerkat)
                                                 Re: In British English too, or just American? - (pwhysall) - (31)
                                                     Don't they usually drop the accent, when... - (CRConrad) - (30)
                                                         Merkin meal order - (Silverlock) - (18)
                                                             Reminds me of an Australian traveller. - (Meerkat) - (17)
                                                                 Damn phony-sophisticate philistines. - (CRConrad)
                                                                 Yabut.. do they serve on those salads - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                     Depends on the establishment. - (Meerkat)
                                                                 Food abroad - (kmself) - (13)
                                                                     Pickles, beets n Kraut aint veggies? - (boxley) - (12)
                                                                         Mexican Nescaf\ufffd is different - (Ashton) - (11)
                                                                             Milk in Mexico - (Ric Locke) - (10)
                                                                                 Yes: but it is scalded when used in cafe con leche.. - (Ashton) - (9)
                                                                                     Ah, yes, part of the recipe - (Ric Locke) - (8)
                                                                                         Hey you're right! - (Ashton) - (7)
                                                                                             You should go back; you'd be both pleased and appalled - (Ric Locke) - (6)
                                                                                                 Thanks for the update - (Ashton) - (5)
                                                                                                     The Mexico I love is the east coast - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                         Added to fantasy itinerary or maybe - (Ashton)
                                                                                                     Insane travelling companions - (mhuber) - (2)
                                                                                                         Damn.. I'm usually the one who has to remind self - - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                                             All my stories like that - (Ric Locke)
                                                         Dead right on the d'oeuvres - (Ashton) - (10)
                                                             Sorry, but now I just *have* to ask... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                 Thought That one almost obvious (?) - (Ashton)
                                                             Linguistic Americans - (Ric Locke) - (7)
                                                                 Cipher (cypher). -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                                                     Bzzt! --wrong. That's the same word. -NT - (Ric Locke)
                                                                 My guess - (Ashton)
                                                                 Computronics? (Al-Khwarizmi, "Algorithm") -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                                 Or hot-climate food, clothes, and soldiering? -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                                                     Comfortable furniture; "sofa", etc. -NT - (Ric Locke) - (1)
                                                                         Duh! Ah, isn't that what the whole Ottoman Empire was about? -NT - (CRConrad)
                                         in sofla entree also means earlybird - (boxley)
         Planned route - (SpiceWare) - (2)
             nking - will you be home for xmas? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                 Yes and no - (nking)
         Doh! - (Yendor) - (2)
             Oh well, at least I got to see you last time :-) - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                 Indeed - (Yendor)
         Re: Heading to Chicago for Xmas - (mhuber) - (1)
             Maybe you can meet up with Silverlock & I for lunch? - (SpiceWare)

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