Post #219,901
8/18/05 9:54:39 AM
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I'm set up to fail
moved under a guy with a totally different style/priorities. I don't see this working out so I'm looking elsewhere within and beyond the co. If I stick around I suspect I'll eventually be removed due to "attitude problems" or something.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #219,912
8/18/05 10:22:23 AM
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Sucks
Sorry. In what ways are you different? Is he stupid enough to be antagonistic early on? Have you already butt heads in previous ways (cross dept fighting?) Is he a corp climber or a overreaching grey beard?
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Post #219,942
8/18/05 12:22:31 PM
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I no longer buy into management fad of the month
he has his direct reports read the latest bs mgt tome and then discuss it after hours. (This month is Joel Spolsky's latest package of old blog postings - an individual I view as not particularly insightful, yet a tireless self promoter). Couple rules I've developed include only reading things I find useful and not working outside of work hours unnecessarily.
I suppose I could simply refuse to play, but that makes me a contrarian in the team and can't be good for the team spirit. So I don't fit.
There are other issues involving deep architectural issues and dev priorities.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #219,943
8/18/05 12:27:05 PM
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I agree non essential after hr poo sniffing not required
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Post #219,948
8/18/05 12:49:39 PM
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I'd love to see that line on a job posting
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Post #219,950
8/18/05 12:54:45 PM
8/18/05 12:56:28 PM
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whoops, see below
"The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.

Edited by imqwerky
Aug. 18, 2005, 12:56:28 PM EDT
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Post #219,952
8/18/05 12:55:38 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #219951 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219951|ICLRPD]
"The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
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Post #219,976
8/18/05 4:15:50 PM
8/18/05 4:16:38 PM
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Stick it out as long as you need to
Yeah, I know that it can suck being in a position like that. But try to be polite about his idiocy, and try not to provoke an incident that will result in your leaving until after you have another job lined up.
Cheers, Ben
PS I share your attitude about Joel about 70-80% of the time. But occasionally he sends a dart in the right general direction.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Edited by ben_tilly
Aug. 18, 2005, 04:16:38 PM EDT
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Post #219,980
8/18/05 4:50:41 PM
8/18/05 7:45:45 PM
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That is the current plan
RE: Joel
A stopped clock is right twice a day but that doesn't make it useful.
Previous readings include [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0767907698|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/0767907698] [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385503865|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/0385503865] [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1401301436|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/1401301436]
I wonder when we'll get to "who moved my cheese"?
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #220,012
8/18/05 8:28:23 PM
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:-)
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Post #220,051
8/18/05 11:28:12 PM
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On the cheese book
SWMBO got a copy for nowt from somewhere. I tried to read it, but the writer just never got around to making any kind of point, although there was an awful lot of "why I wrote this book", aka "padding". Utterly pointless.
After a couple of chapters, I went back to The Long Dark Tea Time Of The Soul.
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Post #220,009
8/18/05 8:19:55 PM
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Speaking of Joel
Cincom has a comment about [link|http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3301840809|Joel's BDUF methodology]. :-)
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Post #220,013
8/18/05 8:30:31 PM
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:-D
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Post #220,017
8/18/05 9:01:26 PM
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Exactly, but as with much about Joel...
his misunderstandings are understandable.
Many of them are shaped by his experience at Microsoft. Which mostly means that he misunderstands many things in a Microsoft-centric way. But it sometimes means other things. For example at Microsoft his job, back when he was technical, was to produce design specs for Microsoft Excel. Having had the job of producing a big design up front, he is going to have a certain emotional commitment to the idea that this is a worthwhile thing to do.
To be fair, big design up front clearly was the right thing to do for a company like Microsoft which was shipping shrinkwrap and had large costs for each new rev that they put out. The idea of a weekly rev with incremental feedback would have simply not worked.
However the barrier that you have is that people usually can't really tell how much they like something before they see it in action. Which is why fast prototypes and incremental development help design out.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #219,917
8/18/05 10:35:39 AM
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Gah.
Too many places screw with their employees for politics.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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