Post #219,737
8/17/05 12:22:31 PM
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Go ahead
An 'if in doubt, shoot to kill' policy is bad. Whereas the US is suffering religious lunacy, the UK is facing overzealous police and a reactionary Bush poodle.
So, let's see it! I do not make facetious judgements if I'm not prepared to face judgement in a facetious manner.
Matthew Greet
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Post #219,738
8/17/05 12:24:26 PM
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small villa in Majorca maybe where benny hill is your waiter
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #219,743
8/17/05 12:47:16 PM
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It ain't no fun if it's solicited, but since you asked...
Run! Get out while you can!
(There...I feel better already! I'm sorry you don't, though....)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #219,745
8/17/05 12:48:44 PM
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Explain why!
Matthew Greet
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- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #219,747
8/17/05 12:55:44 PM
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You ARE kidding, right?
OK, if you've taken a dense pill this morning: It seems as if the Brit Gubmint is not satisfied with stifling whatever passes for Free (as in Speech) Speech on the isle, nor with exporting native-born nationals for viewing "unapproved" web sites; it seems that they want to stop at nothing short of restricting your right to breathe if you happen to leave your flat while the Surveilance Officer assigned to you happens to be taking a leak at the wrong time....
I hope that clarifies things a bit.
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #219,753
8/17/05 1:30:50 PM
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It's no different over there
It's just that under USA-PATRIOT, they don't have to tell you they're doing it.
Have a nice day, y'all.
You can be smug if you're from New Zealand, perhaps.
Peter
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Post #219,768
8/17/05 3:28:06 PM
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Ahem.
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Post #219,793
8/17/05 5:47:44 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #219792 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219792|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #219,777
8/17/05 4:50:07 PM
8/17/05 4:50:46 PM
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It has nothing to do with smug
It has to do with what the fuck your Berk and our Berk are doing to our world. As bad as the "patriot" act is, it doesn't (at my last reading, anyway) authorize shoot-to-kill. Nor does it authorize the deportation of native-born nationals under any circumstances; for that matter, it doesn't authorize deportation of foreign born nationals for such things as advocating the overthrow of the govenrment, or for such mundanities as have the audacity to visit an unapproved website. It does authorize all sorts of heretorfore illegal surveilance, search and siezure, and is a data warehousers wet dream. But the only thing those dreamers are shooting is gizm, not bullets.
(And I'd say that was a rather significant difference, wouldn't you?)
[Edit: tyosp]
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
Aug. 17, 2005, 04:50:46 PM EDT
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Post #219,787
8/17/05 5:28:33 PM
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Have you *read* USA-PATRIOT?
It's not so much an act as a non-context diff.
It may well authorise shoot-to-kill; you as a normal human have no chance whatsoever of determining this.
And I'd say that shoot-to-kill is modus operandi in Iraq, so, yes, they do.
And on the foreign-born national thing? Gitmo. Detention without charge. Secret military tribunals. Etc.
Peter
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Post #219,798
8/17/05 6:13:42 PM
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sorry dude
And on the foreign-born national thing? Gitmo. Detention without charge. Secret military tribunals. Sorry, dude, but that far antedated PAT-Riot. The President (in the abstract, as opposed to the instance now holding that title) has had the ability do authorize all that for quite some time now. And I'd say that shoot-to-kill is modus operandi in Iraq, so, yes, they do. You're going to have to do much better than that. As the latest incarnation ofthe War Powers act gives the military (cf police) powers to invade a sovereign state for the purpose of securing their oil supplyDemocracy for that benighted part of the world, they can shoot whenver they want. The army hasn't invaded the USA (yet...). Not up to your normal rhetorical style, Pete, but then it is rather more difficult to defend the indefensible, now isn't it...? jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #219,799
8/17/05 6:14:30 PM
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I'm not defending anything
I'm just pointing out that you are at least if not more fucked that I am.
Peter
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Post #219,848
8/17/05 10:52:54 PM
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s/if not more//
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #219,858
8/18/05 12:10:57 AM
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You sure?
My not-very-grammatical sentence makes even less sense if you do that.
Peter
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Post #219,859
8/18/05 12:17:12 AM
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I think he meant...
s /at least if not more fucked that I am/really missing out if you're not using Eclipse for perl like me/
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #219,860
8/18/05 12:25:05 AM
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Oh, yuo aer teh funneh!
I've tipped my waitress.
Peter
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Post #219,899
8/18/05 9:43:14 AM
8/18/05 9:44:35 AM
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Lets try: s/if not more/as/
It was late, and I was tired...(but I must say I like Another Scott's interpretation...).
And even then, its a CRC-worthy train wreck.
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
Aug. 18, 2005, 09:44:16 AM EDT
Edited by jb4
Aug. 18, 2005, 09:44:35 AM EDT
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Post #219,946
8/18/05 12:39:25 PM
8/18/05 12:43:36 PM
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"s/if not more fucked that/as fucked as/" HTH!
Edited by CRConrad
Aug. 18, 2005, 12:42:21 PM EDT
Edited by CRConrad
Aug. 18, 2005, 12:43:36 PM EDT
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Post #219,758
8/17/05 1:40:15 PM
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Better
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #219,773
8/17/05 4:22:37 PM
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s /dense pill/Dunce pill/ Save CRC the trouble. :)
Alex
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