intoxicated does not equal impaired

Did you every ee the McGill University study on impairment? 12 shots plus a joint of good quality weed. 1/2 the shots and 1/2 the weed were placebos. Driving skill test with pylons and emergency stops with a light that flashed and re-action time to shut it off. Person who had the best score, sober or drunk was a 105 lb young lady who had no placebos, she actually scored better after the booze.

Now what this indicates to me that a level of intoxication does not suggest impairment unless coupled with a dificulty steering a vehicle which is an observable offence of its own. This does preclude stops "just because" the determining thru investigative detention that the person stopped may have had a drink which leads to a presumptive conviction based on the BAC levels.

Perhaps a discovery of BAC overage should be followed by in appointment for a confined roadway intoxicant test where the BAC is matched then the person drives a course of medium dificulty, based on that the charge is either forwarded or dropped.
thanx,
bill

Post #219,159 by boxley 8/13/05 12:21:30 PM Reply	intoxicated does not equal impaired Did you every ee the McGill University study on impairment? 12 shots plus a joint of good quality weed. 1/2 the shots and 1/2 the weed were placebos. Driving skill test with pylons and emergency stops with a light that flashed and re-action time to shut it off. Person who had the best score, sober or drunk was a 105 lb young lady who had no placebos, she actually scored better after the booze. Now what this indicates to me that a level of intoxication does not suggest impairment unless coupled with a dificulty steering a vehicle which is an observable offence of its own. This does preclude stops "just because" the determining thru investigative detention that the person stopped may have had a drink which leads to a presumptive conviction based on the BAC levels. Perhaps a discovery of BAC overage should be followed by in appointment for a confined roadway intoxicant test where the BAC is matched then the person drives a course of medium dificulty, based on that the charge is either forwarded or dropped. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #219,165 by mmoffitt 8/13/05 1:41:37 PM Reply	Good idea, but time would be the issue. You're stopped at 11pm. How long until you take the qualifying tests? Long enough to "sober up?" If so, what you did at 11pm is no longer being tested. I don't have an answer for this, but my initial thoughts were along your lines. Then I thought better of it. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #219,172 by boxley 8/13/05 3:53:42 PM Reply	you missed "make an appointment" at a later date in the testing facilities you injest alcohol until your BAC is he same as the violation BAC then take the test. Charge for the drinks to cover the cost of the test, than, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #219,182 by Ashton 8/13/05 5:54:06 PM Reply	{chortle} too sane for US Law.
Post #219,346 by jb4 8/15/05 10:04:43 AM Reply	+5 cogent! But I agree, too sane for US jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #219,350 by mmoffitt 8/15/05 10:21:15 AM Reply	Okay, but how do you replicate the situation entirely? Unless you buy that the same BAC effects the human in exactly the same way every time. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #219,352 by boxley 8/15/05 10:45:27 AM Reply	speaking as an expert :-) that is as close as you are going to get to a recreation. Remember an accused would not go thru the expense as a failure would be evidentiary in nature unless they had reasonable grounds for success. Also a pee test to ensure that meth or other illegal stimulants wernt giving an assist. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #219,185 by imqwerky 8/13/05 6:15:47 PM Reply	Video games to the rescue! Then why not have the ol' Sega Steering Wheel in the cop's trunk. Set that puppy up in no time and have a go at a couple of courses right then and there. Seems to me that would indicate a good sense of sobriety. FWIW. Peesh,(hiccup) Amy Illegitimi non corborundum.

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