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Post #212,141 by boxley 6/22/05 4:13:53 PM Reply	RTFA yerself QA whines he wasnt being specific, I have seen that and that is why I would have written the email dataload.exe -f [insert filename here] where insert filename here is the filename you wish to test against. Stupid? Yes, redundant? yes Needed? Yes. Now there are two types of testers, 1. run the test exactly as written and down tools the second it doesnt work (majority) 2. run the test exactly as written and and try to figure out if anything is wrong in the environment to cause the breakage before escaslation (rare) thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #212,150 by Ashton 6/22/05 4:39:06 PM Reply	So then.. exactly the same %meatheads in IT as in: those oft caricatured Lusers; a case of the dull-plodder.. smugly extracting some cheap comfort via twitting those ..no less-imaginative than they? What goes around keeps going around. (There was a PDP-8 instruction which accomplished a 'jump-indirect-to-self'. Just as loopy.)
Post #212,458 by Arkadiy 6/24/05 1:34:55 PM Reply	The guy is QA It's his job to be a meathead. This particular one is overdoing it a bit, but in general, programmers are bad QA because when they see an (unrelated) bug, they instinctively try to work around it rather than stop the test and log a failure. QAs must be good at stopping and complaining rather than at working around problems. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #212,164 by CRConrad 6/22/05 5:59:44 PM Reply	I did. So, what eactly does your improved e-mail here... ...have to do with the bold and italic stuff you were blithering about in your previous post? I'm still fairly certain that didn't have anything to do with the actual, final problem in the article. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #212,165 by boxley 6/22/05 6:04:06 PM Reply	I was responding to Ashtom about Mr. Dumass QA not reading or failing to understand what the document may have said, and also pointing out that yes people can be that ingnorant. My new and improved email is my stock answer when personally meeting such obstacles so what happened to the hero of the story doesnt come back to haunt me. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #212,218 by danreck 6/23/05 12:37:28 AM Reply	MFAC alert... I basically write out the instructions with the movie "Stripes" in mind. "I, state your name..." The aliens that snatched the bodies of every mid level and above IT manager don't seem to understand even the simplest human instructions. It is their undoing... Sometimes it's hard for me to get out of bed in the morning knowing that out there , there on the highways, in the boardrooms, etc... are these folks that I am absolutely awed by (awed by the fact that they can somehow manage to dress themselves, operate a vehicle, schedule a meeting). Yes, this does have a bit of relevance here as well. These folks, these people whom I wouldn't trust to pick fleas off of a small dog's ass, are also the ones that HIRE the testers in the article. The guy who knows how to write the instructions (or maybe even actually program) is just a place holder for "cheaper and more easily managed labor". IE, he's history soon. I'm going back to sleep now and praying that the electricity doesn't go out on such a hot evening for fear that XElectric Co hasn't laid off/force retired every expensive engineer that actually knows how to fix "electric problems". Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #212,255 by Another Scott 6/23/05 10:22:49 AM Reply	I understand both sides. Lots of people learn that the way to avoid problems is to follow instructions exactly as they're given. If one is intimidated by something, that is often viewed as the safest course. I remember a lab partner in school who messed up ~ 2 weeks of our work due to following the instructions exactly rather than thinking about what he was doing... Yes, it's frustrating to try to make things excruciatingly clear in detail and then have the details ignored - or to have the write-up take the place of thinking. But that's the way it is. Hiring people who have that (seemingly rare) flash of insight to be able to understand instructions is, of course, the best solution. But new techniques and procedures will always arrive. Spending some time training people how to do things, based on a clear write-up but not supersceded by a clear write-up, will probably always be necessary. The Shark Tank guy should have understood that a 20 page writeup is good, but not sufficient. Standing up and demonstrating what needed to be done was essential as well. Cheers, Scott.
Post #212,373 by Ashton 6/23/05 11:22:31 PM 6/24/05 3:57:50 AM Reply	Re: I understand both sides. You could use colors. For just one of a myriad that come to mind. Type in this space the exact command for ___ Further explanation could be in another color. Etcetera. The trouble with the common pedantic {let's just List all the OPTIONS that command ever had, via cutesy typefaces} is that, in being 'exhaustively'-complete; it's also irrelevant to the buck-simple Purpose of any edict going: to average-IQ Corp drones. (And, I gather; from here: that applies trebly, the farther up the Corp Ladder one climbs --> the Boss's son faux-CTO.) I! Could write a better crib-sheet than the example, as doubtless could anyone here: with broom likely getting A⁺ generally, for a remarkable blend of concision preceded by: a clear appreciation of the goal, the minds to be jogged: and KISS. Face it: mindless regurgitation IS lousy writing. Every Great Writer has a Great Editor (with perishing-few exceptions; always there is a genius..) But then, the employee list for most of our Corps is so filled with the halt, lame and unimaginitive {inspired by the Halt, Lame and Arrogant at Top}: on second thought - Why Bother? moi Edit tyop Edited by Ashton June 24, 2005, 03:57:50 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #212,375 by boxley 6/23/05 11:31:10 PM Reply	you mean I couldnt rewrite Milton's Paradise Lost by /s/paradise/"really cool place in the mountains"? thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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