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Post #203,757 by tuberculosis 4/18/05 12:51:46 PM Reply	Slow at what? "There are a lot of bad things that Java is, but slow isn't one of them any longer." Mmmmm. Depends. Slow to run, not so much. Slow to start - verrrry. Fire up any Swing app on Mac OS X and you'll find that it takes ages to get just the splash screen up. Criminal that is and it is why I pronounce desktop Java an unqualified failure. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #203,767 by admin 4/18/05 1:31:15 PM Reply	Re: Slow at what? The desktop Java apps I use are PVCS (teh sukc) and rarely IntelliJ. Splash screen times are no longer than things like Open Office or Firefox. I tend to leave GUI applications running for long periods of time, so startup times don't bother me in the least. Somewhat related: NeoOffice/J runs quite nicely on our Mini at home. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #203,778 by Another Scott 4/18/05 2:18:45 PM Reply	OpenOffice Win32 is a turtle. :-( Writer 1.9.91 takes 9 seconds to open on this Athlon64 with 1 GB of RAM. I have no idea how the Formula editor can be so slow either. On the other hand, DeScribe 5 (Win32) loads in < 1 s. Word 97 (which, granted, has a bunch of DLLs already loaded) loads in < 1 s. OO is a turtle. Saying desktop Java is comparable isn't saying much. :-( Cheers, Scott.
Post #203,797 by admin 4/18/05 3:45:06 PM Reply	I'm not talking about Windows. And OpenOffice for Windows isn't Java. :-) <6s for Linux OpenOffice on a 1.4 Ghz Xeon. 2s for Gnumeric, 4s for Abiword. 11s for Mozilla 1.7. 3s for FireFox 1.0, but it's already loaded. It's a good bit longer if it isn't running already. 3s for Evolution. All of these are C/C++. Compare to: 5s for pvcsvmux, a GUI Java program. 10s for IDEA, a Java IDE. Not too bad for PVCS, especially since it's a crappily-written Java program to boot. IDEs in general are very slow to start as well; Visual Stupido 6 takes for-freakin'-ever. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #203,813 by tuberculosis 4/18/05 4:20:03 PM Reply	Your IDEA launches considerably faster than mine I'm seeing times closer to 50s. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #203,814 by pwhysall 4/18/05 4:22:25 PM Reply	He is TEH ADMIN, remember. Java fears him. You are clearly instilling insufficient fear into your equipment. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #203,816 by Another Scott 4/18/05 4:25:38 PM Reply	:-)
Post #203,842 by admin 4/18/05 6:11:15 PM Reply	Must be your encouraging mental field... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

Dynamic web apps vs rich clients - (bluke) - (53) - March 29, 2005, 06:42:12 AM EST

I hope it does. - (pwhysall) - March 29, 2005, 07:07:21 AM EST

I'm telling ya, gotta move back to VB/Delphi model - (tablizer) - (40) - March 30, 2005, 04:45:33 AM EST

Yeah. - (pwhysall) - (38) - March 30, 2005, 06:01:24 AM EST

Try this. - (mmoffitt) - March 30, 2005, 08:12:36 AM EST

Well, if we can fiat SCGUI into existence... - (ChrisR) - March 30, 2005, 08:36:08 AM EST

I meant in general -NT - (tablizer) - (35) - April 13, 2005, 03:44:48 AM EDT

The idea sucks in general, too. -NT - (pwhysall) - (34) - April 13, 2005, 07:18:07 AM EDT

you were vague on why it "sucked" -NT - (tablizer) - (33) - April 16, 2005, 04:00:43 PM EDT

I have a Mac. Or a Linux box. Or an Amiga. Or a toaster. - (pwhysall) - (32) - April 17, 2005, 02:35:22 PM EDT

Cross-platform is an implementation detail -NT - (tablizer) - (5) - April 17, 2005, 11:26:44 PM EDT

A detail that requires... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 17, 2005, 11:49:49 PM EDT

But not RealBasic. -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 18, 2005, 04:10:02 PM EDT

The point is... - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 18, 2005, 01:38:58 AM EDT

For varying- and IMO insufficient- def'ns of "sufficiently". -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 05:32:48 AM EDT

What is that you can't do in a web browser... - (pwhysall) - April 18, 2005, 07:29:14 AM EDT

Bullshit. - (CRConrad) - (25) - April 18, 2005, 05:32:26 AM EDT

You're so LITERAL, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (24) - April 18, 2005, 07:25:11 AM EDT

Yeah, well, sorry; we can't all be illiterate, I guess... - (CRConrad) - (23) - April 18, 2005, 08:40:59 AM EDT

Re: Yeah, well, sorry; we can't all be illiterate, I guess.. - (admin) - (12) - April 18, 2005, 09:03:55 AM EDT

Most sub-giga-RAM boxes I've used J-apps on, it's still SLOW -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 09:23:35 AM EDT

Just like there are bad UIs in some VB programs... -NT - (admin) - April 18, 2005, 10:13:00 AM EDT

Slow at what? - (tuberculosis) - (7) - April 18, 2005, 12:51:46 PM EDT

Re: Slow at what? - (admin) - (6) - April 18, 2005, 01:31:15 PM EDT

OpenOffice Win32 is a turtle. :-( - (Another Scott) - (5) - April 18, 2005, 02:18:45 PM EDT

I'm not talking about Windows. - (admin) - (4) - April 18, 2005, 03:45:06 PM EDT

Your IDEA launches considerably faster than mine - (tuberculosis) - (3) - April 18, 2005, 04:20:03 PM EDT

He is TEH ADMIN, remember. - (pwhysall) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 04:22:25 PM EDT

:-) -NT - (Another Scott) - April 18, 2005, 04:25:38 PM EDT

Must be your encouraging mental field... -NT - (admin) - April 18, 2005, 06:11:15 PM EDT

Not slow? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 04:14:48 PM EDT

Yeah, that's bad code. - (admin) - April 18, 2005, 04:18:09 PM EDT

So, to summarise: - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 18, 2005, 10:26:22 AM EDT

Which VB? - (ChrisR) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 10:43:54 AM EDT

Ask CRC, he's the one with a stiffy for it :-) -NT - (pwhysall) - April 18, 2005, 10:49:04 AM EDT

Eat shit, a billion flies can't be wrong - (ben_tilly) - (6) - April 18, 2005, 02:45:24 PM EDT

Sheesh, man... it's obvious that some of us can, though. - (CRConrad) - (5) - April 19, 2005, 03:33:11 AM EDT

I can read just fine. - (ben_tilly) - (4) - April 19, 2005, 11:31:04 AM EDT

Yep, I still think so. - (CRConrad) - (3) - April 20, 2005, 08:56:55 AM EDT

You've clearly not encountered that line before - (ben_tilly) - (2) - April 20, 2005, 09:21:37 AM EDT

Oh, POAD, you whiney ars...rectum. - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 20, 2005, 09:48:41 AM EDT

Definitely not before I could read... - (ben_tilly) - April 20, 2005, 11:24:49 AM EDT

Notice how the mention of Turing pins everyone's bogometer -NT - (FuManChu) - March 30, 2005, 10:55:24 AM EST

Going for the extinguish part? - (warmachine) - (9) - March 30, 2005, 07:43:21 AM EST

Have you used gmail or google maps? - (ben_tilly) - (8) - March 30, 2005, 10:39:52 AM EST

Alas, Opera ain't fully supported - (warmachine) - (6) - March 30, 2005, 10:58:59 AM EST

Microsoft is developing Ajax? Buh? - (admin) - March 30, 2005, 11:46:09 AM EST

You mean that Opera doesn't fully support standards - (tuberculosis) - (1) - March 30, 2005, 12:15:40 PM EST

Question about JS and Firefox (new thread) - (jb4) - March 31, 2005, 10:45:11 AM EST

As others have pointed out, that is Opera's fault - (ben_tilly) - (2) - March 30, 2005, 04:53:14 PM EST

What's funny about that - (tuberculosis) - (1) - March 30, 2005, 09:12:07 PM EST

Re: What's funny about that - (pwhysall) - March 31, 2005, 12:53:54 AM EST

NONONONONO - (pwhysall) - March 30, 2005, 11:29:06 AM EST

Shrug...rich clients aren't going anywhere - (Simon_Jester) - March 30, 2005, 04:37:51 PM EST

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