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Post #20,358
by jake123
12/5/01 3:11:07 PM
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New One point about food and medicine

You've slightly oversimplified here. The US doesn't just not supply... they threaten to punish others who would like to supply, whether for commercial or altruistic reasons, and actively patrol shipping lanes to ensure that these people are not able to deliver food or medicine.

I'm talking about Iraq in this case.

Actually, Castro didn't pick his friends, the US picked theirs. They just happened to pick the guy (Batista) that was willing to kill people to keep unions out of US owned factories. The problem was that the US decided to be friends with the guy who was so egregiously abusive of his power that they managed to alienate the vast majority of the citizens of Cuba.

Finally, you should really read about the CIA, Nicaragua, and the CIA's involvement in the California cocaine trade to raise money for their covert war in Nicaragua. You'll find that there are congress critters that find the idea of a US gov't agency selling highly addictive drugs to US citizens in order to raise money for people with a stated policy of shelling schools and hospitals somewhat... problematic.

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Post #20,382
by bepatient
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12/5/01 5:22:45 PM
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New On Nicaragua
...that was not a stellar moment in US foreign policy.

Cuba...well...we pissed them off...they picked a guy who decided it was better to align with our principle enemy. While I can understand the overall reasons for doing so...allowing nukes to be shipped there and pointed at us was..well...ill-advised considering their proximity.

And with Iraq...we may patrol the shipping lanes...but I have not...to date...heard of us threatening any humanitarian aid (meds and food)

And we would threaten...and have...companies who do business against our will...but it happens all the time and we largely do nothing...unless the materials in question have military applications...and even them sometimes we do nothing (think China)

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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Post #20,395
by Simon_Jester
12/5/01 6:22:05 PM
12/5/01 8:07:10 PM
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New So the US has no blame whatsoever?

Cuba...well...we pissed them off...they picked a guy who decided it was better to align with our principle enemy.


Wait a minute! You tossed off our support for ol' Batista really fast there. Should the US be able to rape the resource of any country it feels like?

Hell, at least you admitted we pissed them off. Let's go into details why.

Come on, the US is blameless, no?


(edited - mixed up Balista with yet someone else entirely.)
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Post #20,409
by bepatient
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12/5/01 8:23:42 PM
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New No
Batista was in charge for close to 25 years. Unless you think we should have had him overthrown, which the cubans did (actually he more or less just split).

The same thing happened with Machado before that...we loved him...the people hated him and they kicked his ass out too.

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     More jingoism and oddly, similarities - (TTC) - (36) - Dec. 4, 2001, 04:55:03 PM EST
         Re: More jingoism and oddly, similarities - (bluke) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2001, 07:59:36 AM EST
             Re: More jingoism and oddly, similarities - (TTC) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:56:34 AM EST
         Do you have anything resembling a point? - (Silverlock) - (11) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:36:44 AM EST
             Re: Do you have anything resembling a point? - (TTC) - (10) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:59:54 AM EST
                 Ah thats no fun... - (bepatient) - (8) - Dec. 5, 2001, 09:18:29 AM EST
                     Re: Ah thats no fun... - (TTC) - (7) - Dec. 5, 2001, 11:02:44 AM EST
                         Devil's advocacy doesn't build understanding. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 5, 2001, 11:17:24 AM EST
                             Re: Devil's advocacy doesn't build understanding. - (TTC) - (5) - Dec. 5, 2001, 11:44:44 AM EST
                                 Interesting. - (bepatient) - (4) - Dec. 5, 2001, 01:19:25 PM EST
                                     One point about food and medicine - (jake123) - (3) - Dec. 5, 2001, 03:11:07 PM EST
                                         On Nicaragua - (bepatient) - (2) - Dec. 5, 2001, 05:22:45 PM EST
                                             So the US has no blame whatsoever? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:07:10 PM EST
                                                 No - (bepatient) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:23:42 PM EST
                 Re: Keeping mum. - (Silverlock) - Dec. 5, 2001, 09:29:14 AM EST
         Yup, we're keeping mum. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2001, 11:28:01 AM EST
             ya wanna keep my mum too? - (boxley) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:12:34 PM EST
         OK, I'm confused - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Dec. 5, 2001, 04:06:29 PM EST
             Thought we were making lease payments on Guantanamo. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 5, 2001, 04:31:56 PM EST
                 I set up shop in a room in your house... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2001, 04:40:55 PM EST
                     not if you were white:) - (boxley) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:15:05 PM EST
                 Re: Thought we were making lease payments on Guantanamo. - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 5, 2001, 05:56:15 PM EST
             Typically too - (Ashton) - (2) - Dec. 5, 2001, 05:16:54 PM EST
                 The Cubans you decry send $800 million per year to their... - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2001, 05:42:03 PM EST
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         I don't see the problem - (mhuber) - (11) - Dec. 5, 2001, 08:45:46 PM EST
             Re: I don't see the problem - (TTC) - (10) - Dec. 5, 2001, 09:20:19 PM EST
                 Let's talk about this --- - (Ric Locke) - Dec. 5, 2001, 09:56:22 PM EST
                 Carpet bombing with 29 civilian casualties? - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 6, 2001, 12:21:12 AM EST
                 You've hit on an important point... - (screamer) - (7) - Dec. 6, 2001, 10:09:47 AM EST
                     Ah, you forget TTC still waves Red China's hammer and sicle. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 6, 2001, 10:17:26 AM EST
                     Re: You've hit on an important point... - (TTC) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2001, 02:41:44 PM EST
                         Actually, you are probably right - (screamer) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2001, 05:45:32 PM EST
                             Re: Actually, you are probably right - (TTC) - Dec. 6, 2001, 11:52:55 PM EST
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                         Balance... - (screamer) - Dec. 6, 2001, 05:58:43 PM EST
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