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New Actually, you are probably right
in that the context of your reply and the general point of your thread is about jingoism... It's hard not to at times when the topic is inflamatory and the statements that follow conjure up strong emotion.

That said, all war euphemisms (like marketing... collateral damage, friendly fire, etc..) are pretty disgusting in that they are language meant to diffuse (or confuse). Please understand that my problem with your particular statements to which I responded to, seem to point out that you are still debating from a somewhat "Cold War" America (and all it's faults) point of view. I could be wrong. I dislike the rah, rah, rah, just as much as the next guy, but I also feel that this is a "just" action (if there ever really could be). I wish I could be more concrete but I still cannot divorce myself from the pathos of this situation. In debate, it is best to always try to argue from the logos, and that's why I am tending to shy away from this forum as of late. I think it very "human" to be emotional and not want to discuss this country's faults at this particular time.

Notice that I have not stated that I disagree with much of your posts in this thread, I think that the one I replied to may have gone a bit too far... YMMV.
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..."

P. Townshend

"Nietzsche has an S in it"
Celina Jones
New Re: Actually, you are probably right
Believe me, I do understand.
     More jingoism and oddly, similarities - (TTC) - (36)
         Re: More jingoism and oddly, similarities - (bluke) - (1)
             Re: More jingoism and oddly, similarities - (TTC)
         Do you have anything resembling a point? - (Silverlock) - (11)
             Re: Do you have anything resembling a point? - (TTC) - (10)
                 Ah thats no fun... - (bepatient) - (8)
                     Re: Ah thats no fun... - (TTC) - (7)
                         Devil's advocacy doesn't build understanding. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                             Re: Devil's advocacy doesn't build understanding. - (TTC) - (5)
                                 Interesting. - (bepatient) - (4)
                                     One point about food and medicine - (jake123) - (3)
                                         On Nicaragua - (bepatient) - (2)
                                             So the US has no blame whatsoever? - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                 No - (bepatient)
                 Re: Keeping mum. - (Silverlock)
         Yup, we're keeping mum. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
             ya wanna keep my mum too? - (boxley)
         OK, I'm confused - (tuberculosis) - (7)
             Thought we were making lease payments on Guantanamo. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                 I set up shop in a room in your house... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     not if you were white:) - (boxley)
                 Re: Thought we were making lease payments on Guantanamo. - (tuberculosis)
             Typically too - (Ashton) - (2)
                 The Cubans you decry send $800 million per year to their... - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                     Of course there's irony! They are People! - (Ashton)
         I don't see the problem - (mhuber) - (11)
             Re: I don't see the problem - (TTC) - (10)
                 Let's talk about this --- - (Ric Locke)
                 Carpet bombing with 29 civilian casualties? - (Andrew Grygus)
                 You've hit on an important point... - (screamer) - (7)
                     Ah, you forget TTC still waves Red China's hammer and sicle. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                     Re: You've hit on an important point... - (TTC) - (2)
                         Actually, you are probably right - (screamer) - (1)
                             Re: Actually, you are probably right - (TTC)
                     Al punte mon fr\ufffdre: No Balance of Power today exists.. - (Ashton) - (2)
                         Balance... - (screamer)
                         Next Stop Rollerball :( -NT - (boxley)

Yes, m'lord.
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