2003 DC/Windows 98 Clients?

Post #200,736 by mmoffitt 3/27/05 9:21:28 AM Reply	2003 DC/Windows 98 Clients? Supposedly, Windows 98 clients are supported in a Windows 2003 domain. We've tried via self-help online and we even used MSFT's official Windows 2003 Server support. We can successfully login to the domain, but we have two issues left that it appears we're gonna hafta pay MSFT support to get the answers to (or not pay them and they tell us its unsupported). The issues are 1) We cannot map drives to subdirectories of shares (we've done everything we can find in support.microsoft.com and elsewhere). 2) We cannot get the 98 clients to execute login scripts. In case you're wondering if I've lost my mind, here's the deal. We have 52 boxes at work running MS-DOS. The boxen are plenty powerful enough to run 9x, but I'd have to upgrade nearly all of them to run X-Pee Pro. Plus pay for all those X-Pee Pro licenses. If I can get 98 to run on them, I'll avoid paying for both hardware and software upgrades (boxes were order w/either 98 or X-Pee home as we knew they'd be running MS-DOS anyway). Anybody ever tried and succeeded with this? bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
Post #200,739 by pwhysall 3/27/05 9:38:17 AM Reply	IIRC, you're fooked. Get yer checkbook out. We had to go down this path with 98/95 many moons ago (connecting to W2K domain). End result? Boxes upgraded to W2K. (After extended faffing about trying to get it to work satisfactorily). Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #200,742 by boxley 3/27/05 9:44:22 AM Reply	can you create shares to the subdirectories? also can you put the login scripts in the auto exec.bat files of the clients after you do the net/login attachment. If not, upgrade time. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #200,756 by mmoffitt 3/27/05 10:15:08 AM Reply	Might be able to mangle the login scripts to fit in autoexec.bat - if we manually map all the drives to each box. And yes, the fall-back is to share all the required subdirectories, but an out-sourced MSFT KB article says there's a way to arrange things so that you don't have to create all those shares. Thanks. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
Post #200,750 by broomberg 3/27/05 10:03:51 AM 3/27/05 10:04:24 AM Reply	Do you HAVE to have the W2003 server? We had that choice a while ago. 50 desktops 98ish, logging into an NT server. The desktop all ran a DOS-Box app called Arev, along with a bit of windowsy stuff. NT support went bye-bye. Arev NEEDED a real Windows server to run as the master file server / locking service stub. So I put in a Linux box to act as the Domain Master, a W2K box to act as the Arev server / service master, and all the desktops remained the same. Edited by broomberg March 27, 2005, 10:04:24 AM EST Expand All History
Post #200,754 by Another Scott 3/27/05 10:12:39 AM Reply	Some random thoughts. No, I can't answer your questions. It looks like running straight MS-DOS clients will be difficult with 2003 Server: [link\|http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/WinNT_Networking/Q_21280179.html\|Here]: [Q] hi out there. have a simple (at least i hope so) question. running 4 machines which has to connect by dos client in our domain. mostly it works but sometimes they get an error message. it says: "access denied". also we are running w2k network with 4 domain controllers, one of them on server2003. so my guess is that every time they want to logon in the domain and the 2003 DC is servicing them they get this error message. is there a way in netlogon to prefer a DC which is definetly on w2k? [A] For dos client you can't designate a Domain Controller because dos clients do not use LDAP to query DNS for Domain Controller they simply use underlaying protocols to communicate with Domain Controller and LAN Manager takes care of this so LAN Manager uses NT4.0 architecture. Thankx SystmProg If you only need DOS clients, wouldn't you be better off with a Linux server somewhere providing the login services to the DOS boxes? Maybe some variation of [link\|http://cui.unige.ch/info/pc/remote-boot/howto-3.html\|this] remote booting setup? Or running a stripped-down Linux client that ran [link\|http://www.dosemu.org/\|DOSEMU] or [link\|http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1\|DOSBox]? I'd be very nervous about running Win98 on any networked machine these days. HTH a bit, or at least gives you a possible different mode of attack. Cheers, Scott.
Post #200,758 by mmoffitt 3/27/05 10:20:55 AM Reply	Thanks. I'll look through those. The biggest problem we have encountered (and I'm new on this particular project - my predecessors have struggled with this through the last couple of years and it is one of the larger messes I've ever seen. I'm incrementally trying to clean all this up) is that the DOS apps are Clipper compiled applications. My company tried unsuccessfully a couple years ago trying to use samba. I'm not certain of details, but I was gold that the clients "didn't have enough free memory" to execute the Clipper apps. The DOS boxen are now connecting to a Netware 5.1 server using Novell's DOS client on a VG network. No, I didn't mistype that, a VG network. Aside: our supplier for NICs and other gear for this network is eBay. And no, I don't sleep very well yet. :0( bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
Post #200,760 by Another Scott 3/27/05 10:29:23 AM Reply	If you've got the Clipper source, look at FlagShip. [link\|http://www.fship.com/\|Flagship]. If you don't, well, it's probably only going to keep getting worse trying to support such old code. I know nothing about it, but it was [link\|http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.clipper/browse_thread/thread/aee9d4a13065dba4/f0d9de1330acf3a6?q=DOSemu+clipper&rnum=3#f0d9de1330acf3a6\|reported] in 2000 to be 100 times faster than Clipper and compatible with Clipper '87 to 5.2x (5.3 now). Luck! Cheers, Scott.
Post #200,761 by mmoffitt 3/27/05 10:36:29 AM Reply	As a consultant a couple years back, ... that's what I suggested. We do have the source - er, some of the source. This app base is what the company was founded on and what it still largely runs on. And the problem with Flagship is that over the years, several libraries were purchased from long defunct companies and the source for that is unavailable. Flagship folks said that was a big problem. But, I'd love to turn those DOS boxen into Linux boxen, maybe I should give it another look... bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
Post #200,772 by Another Scott 3/27/05 11:23:15 AM Reply	Decompiler? [link\|http://www.hallogram.com/valkyrie/\|Valkyrie] - a Clipper decompiler. I don't know how well it works with protected code (if that's an issue) and it doesn't work with 5.3. That may not help you if the libraries in question aren't written in Clipper. You're probably aware of tools like that, but just in case you weren't... Luck! Cheers, Scott.
Post #200,846 by mmoffitt 3/28/05 7:51:24 AM Reply	Thanks. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
Post #200,796 by boxley 3/27/05 8:46:58 PM Reply	clipper eh? DOS 3.3 emulation should work? Is there any still out there? thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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