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Post #198,995
by Arkadiy
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3/16/05 11:36:22 AM
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New I have no explanation that I am sure of.
I think you don't either.

My guess is a security hole, a bug.

Your guess is an inherent deficiency of architecture.

Neither of us is in a position to prove our guesses. You are in a somewhat better position to investigate - you actually have logs and what not from your co-worker's breakage. But, unless you understand _exactly_ how the malware gained access to the protected areas of the system, we still don't know for sure.
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Post #199,001
by folkert
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3/16/05 11:43:24 AM
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New Thank you. (new thread)
Created as new thread #199000 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=199000|Thank you.]
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     Undetectable VX2!!!!!! - (Andrew Grygus) - (39) - March 13, 2005, 12:25:13 PM EST
         Maybe because it isn't the traditional one? - (folkert) - (3) - March 13, 2005, 05:07:21 PM EST
             This one was real VX2 . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - March 13, 2005, 05:32:16 PM EST
                 Is there even room to fit one more nail? ;-) -NT - (n3jja) - (1) - March 13, 2005, 05:33:05 PM EST
                     Depends on how many infections a given machine has. -NT - (ben_tilly) - March 13, 2005, 05:58:44 PM EST
         Re: Undetectable VX2!!!!!! - (andread) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 09:39:16 AM EST
             Of course. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 11:52:52 AM EST
                 Yeap, just like that. - (folkert) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 02:26:02 PM EST
                     My root post for this thread did refer to . . - (Andrew Grygus) - March 14, 2005, 03:30:07 PM EST
         Assuming that I am a complete dolt, - (Arkadiy) - (29) - March 14, 2005, 04:29:37 PM EST
             Rootkit worms for windows abound - (jake123) - March 14, 2005, 05:09:26 PM EST
             Well, just for starters . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - March 14, 2005, 05:18:45 PM EST
                 Apart from the first point - (Arkadiy) - (7) - March 14, 2005, 05:31:55 PM EST
                     Let's see, point #3 - (jake123) - (5) - March 14, 2005, 06:13:07 PM EST
                         Sounds like the OS/2 WPS (ducks, runs) -NT - (altmann) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 06:32:48 PM EST
                             Nah, Office has users. - (pwhysall) - March 14, 2005, 06:33:17 PM EST
                             :) - (jake123) - March 15, 2005, 01:45:00 PM EST
                         Sounds like Gnome - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 07:35:05 PM EST
                             No, another disagreement here. - (folkert) - March 14, 2005, 09:48:51 PM EST
                     On our network... - (Steven A S) - March 15, 2005, 04:18:20 PM EST
             Win32 message service - (inthane-chan) - (18) - March 14, 2005, 05:23:59 PM EST
                 If you're not an admin, you don't have - (Arkadiy) - (17) - March 14, 2005, 05:34:23 PM EST
                     Nope. I have a machine at work. - (folkert) - (16) - March 14, 2005, 06:48:52 PM EST
                         I don't know :( - (Arkadiy) - (13) - March 14, 2005, 07:41:31 PM EST
                             I don't agree with your assessment. - (folkert) - (12) - March 14, 2005, 09:29:10 PM EST
                                 That I don't understand - (Arkadiy) - (11) - March 15, 2005, 11:10:03 AM EST
                                     That's where messaging comes in. - (inthane-chan) - March 15, 2005, 01:09:32 PM EST
                                     Not like Windows... - (folkert) - (6) - March 15, 2005, 04:41:09 PM EST
                                         It was quite helpful - (Arkadiy) - (5) - March 15, 2005, 05:05:47 PM EST
                                             It isn't documneted the way you'd think. - (folkert) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 09:34:49 PM EST
                                                 Well, the only things that grant access to file system - (Arkadiy) - (3) - March 16, 2005, 09:52:25 AM EST
                                                     Then how do you explain the fact that it happens? - (folkert) - (2) - March 16, 2005, 11:35:43 AM EST
                                                         I have no explanation that I am sure of. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 16, 2005, 11:36:22 AM EST
                                                             Thank you. (new thread) - (folkert) - March 16, 2005, 11:43:24 AM EST
                                     Re: That I don't understand - (andread) - (2) - March 16, 2005, 09:51:34 AM EST
                                         Are they members of other groups? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 16, 2005, 09:53:35 AM EST
                                             Domain Users -NT - (andread) - March 16, 2005, 03:35:33 PM EST
                         There is a way. - (static) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 08:54:09 PM EST
                             It's LocalSystem - (Arkadiy) - March 15, 2005, 11:26:57 AM EST
         VX2 on 2 servers - (andread) - March 31, 2005, 12:31:50 PM EST

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, maybe that's where your kid should be practicing the trumpet.
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