Post #196,224
2/24/05 1:42:10 PM
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Won't happen
While what you say about my history and senior management is true, it does not apply to his group. They have a new person in charge, and has decided that Perl code is just too tough, as is anything running via shell scripts on the Unix/Linux command line, and wouldn't it just be so much easier to write ALL their systems using either SQL/Server Transact/SQL or Oracle PL/SQL, and if you HAVE to you something out of the database, then either Visual Basic or C# is the perfect place to do it.
WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!!!
Anything I say against that attitude is "old thinking", and simply discounted as someone unwilling to change. After all, I either wrote or advised on every project in place. So I keep my mouth shut unless asked, and am always careful not to disparage any idea without a concrete example of how it would HAVE to fail.
Hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe all this stuff CAN be done they way they are planning.
Yeah, sure.
I am no longer in that group, and it KILLS the manager of that group to ask me for help. He really dislikes me, even though he would never show it.
When he showed up, he had a stack of tech books, including Unix, Perl, Oracle, Windows, SQL/Server, etc. He claimed to be technology agnostic. I walked over to his book shelf, opened the books, and flipped through them.
Almost every single one (except the Windows and SQL/Server books) make the characteristic noise of the spine cracking for the 1st time.
I did this right in front of him.
So basically I told him he was full of shit within 10 minutes of him moving into his office, without actually saying it out loud.
On the other hand, in my current role, I've just hired an asistant for his Linux skills, and have an opening for a Linux/Perl programmer to work on my new systems. I might end up transferring a person or 2 out of my old department as they get more and more frustrated with the direction they are going.
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Post #196,226
2/24/05 2:42:58 PM
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Difference between can and should
Hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe all this stuff CAN be done they way they are planning. I'm pretty sure they can do things the way you mention. But that doesn't mean it is a good idea. I've been banging my head against that wall all week. Can I set height and width on HTML table objects to try and force the browser to size and place everything the way the designer wants it down the pixel? Yes I can, but we shouldn't be trying to do that in the first place. Can I go ahead and build a Cold Fusion email page on a predominatly ASP site, cause the site does that already and it won't be making performance or security any worse? Yes I can, but really it is not something we should want to do. Can I rush this project live ASAP without enough testing? Yes I can, I can also hold a gun to my head and pull the trigger. I don't think either is a good plan. Jay
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Post #196,227
2/24/05 2:48:02 PM
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Got it
So this new guy is basically just demonstrating that he's a good fit with what he understands to be the new regime. And unless you want to confront that regime head on, this is not a battle that you particularly want to take too far. Give 'em rope, let them demonstrate the "value" of the new approach on their own projects.
You can also axe the snide comment that I'd considered of telling him that you'd heard that MySQL does everything that Oracle does, and if you use MySQL then perhaps you don't need to bother with a DBA...
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #196,228
2/24/05 3:07:16 PM
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of course there is always room for sql queries
it has its places and usage, however c with nested SQL is the OLD answer before perl, scripting and etc came along. Is there a strict sql program that they have in place that you could outstrip their preformance using other tools to rub his nose in it? making everything sql is empire building and should be squashed immediately.
thanx,
bill
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Post #196,231
2/24/05 3:33:26 PM
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C w/ nested SQL
I wish.
No, they want all business logic to be in stored procedured using PL/SQL or Transact/SQL.
Thousands of stored procedures or a nighmare of dynamic SQL generation code in order to do what I consider simpe Perl code.
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Post #196,238
2/24/05 5:12:05 PM
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Well there's the problem
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Post #196,241
2/24/05 5:34:18 PM
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He has Perl people
2 who are far better than me, 3 who are about the same.
He does not need me as all.
But when they are done moving stuff to the database, he will then need a boatload of people to maintain what they have.
His highpriced VB/SQL/Server buddy create a semi-working app with several hundred cut&paste stored procedures. All that did almost the same thing, with tiny differences. While I'm told the language CAN be done better, his key people obviously aren't the ones doing it that way.
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Post #196,360
2/25/05 4:38:49 PM
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I feel your pain re command-line/shell phobia
I had a former co-worker who flat-out said " I don't do command line". Much like Mariah Carey says she doesn't do stairs.
I'm still surprised/saddened by the amount of people who think if it can't be pointed-to and clicked-at, it can't be done.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #196,400
2/26/05 2:34:02 AM
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Now, I'm all weird on this.
When it comes to UNIX and VMS, I prefer to type. VMS in particular gives you great typing skills, especially as the DCL prompt doesn't have command completion.
When it comes to my own box, I get very annoyed if I can't point and drool. But I admin my server (when it's working; still awaiting new wireless NIC) in an SSH session, even though I could connect it to my monitor.
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Post #196,882
3/2/05 1:21:47 AM
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I have my Happy Hacking keyboard here at work.
I still get comments about it. But I do all my programming in vi. For which it's perfect. And even mousing is easier because there's no numeric keypad between the active keys and the rodent.
I usually admin my home server with SSH. I've got a monitor plugged in, but there's no X server running, so I may as well SSH in from a larger screen.
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Is it enough to breathe
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Post #196,885
3/2/05 1:38:53 AM
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No good for me.
Where would I map the Do, Remove, Select, and Insert keys? Where would I put F20? The gold key?
See, VMS people need more buttons to make their text editor go :-)
I never, EVER saw the point of the "happy hacking" keyboard. No-one's desk is THAT small.
/me throws a LK450 at you. Proper keyboard. With a Do key. And 20 function keys.
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Post #196,976
3/3/05 1:27:46 AM
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I used a real VT320 for a while in a previous job.
It was verra ni-i-ice. I even had a go of a real VT340 once or twice - same as a 320 but colour. :-)
I'd consider a HH keyboard that had a row of function keys. True, I get used to Fn+5, but a real F5 key would be just that little bit better. I know, I know, it's hard to please *everyone*.
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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
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Post #196,981
3/3/05 1:39:41 AM
3/3/05 1:41:16 AM
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Re: I used a real VT320 for a while in a previous job.
I use a 320 regularly, and I think it's OK, but I wouldn't describe it as 'verra nice".
I reserve that assessment for the 510, which is the king of dumb terminals. The 320 is, however, better than the 410 because the 410s are always very dim.
(The 340 is OK, but it is enormous and the screens are always deconverged.)
Peter
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March 3, 2005, 01:41:16 AM EST
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Post #196,493
2/27/05 4:27:20 AM
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Us Old-timers report:
The best training (and argument for CL work) Ever! was -
Wait for it . . .
WordStar !!!
The mnemonics were GrrreaT; antithesis of the anal unassociated detritus in Word Imperfect's random labels. From superscripts to block markers, etc. - you soon memorized the scheme; never had to take hands from kb == a natural for the {then still} touch-typists, just naively entering the mind-fuck black hole of 'computers'.
Ex:
One time was watching SO, a super-fast typist - composing a paper for a reactor physicist, with ton(ne)s of 92U235 type refs and (simple) equations, not needing math graphics (which WS couldn't then do). In the amount of time spent *here* on one "U-235", even with wee codes: she could have entered 5-8 isotopes. When you have to bloody MOUSE for it - make that 8-12.
Ergo: anyone trained on WS would be the last to bitch about kb entry.
Of course, anyone neuron-debilitated by fucking Doze AND who never learned to type ..
CP/M Rulez
Still.
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Post #196,602
2/28/05 9:22:03 AM
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Ctrl-= - subscript Ctrl-+ - superscript
Ctrl-space - default format.
Took me 3 minutes to find in Word Help
Also available:
CTRL+D
Change the formatting of characters (Font command, Format menu)
SHIFT+F3
Change the case of letters
CTRL+SHIFT+A
Format letters as all capitals
CTRL+B
Apply bold formatting
CTRL+U
Apply an underline
CTRL+SHIFT+W
Underline words but not spaces
CTRL+SHIFT+D
Double-underline text
CTRL+SHIFT+H
Apply hidden text formatting
CTRL+I
Apply italic formatting
CTRL+SHIFT+K
Format letters as small capitals
CTRL+EQUAL SIGN
Apply subscript formatting (automatic spacing)
CTRL+SHIFT+PLUS SIGN
Apply superscript formatting (automatic spacing)
CTRL+SPACEBAR
Remove manual character formatting
CTRL+SHIFT+Q
Change the selection to the Symbol font
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