Post #194,165
2/11/05 11:59:31 AM
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Not harsh
You show a fighter (made lighter/smaller for maneuvering) hitting a solid brick wall and expect the results to be the same as a much more rigid vehicle hitting essentially 3-4 inches of glass.
Perhaps the jet engine that was shown coming out of the trade center that was found 6 cross blocks over was part of the hoax?
In addition, your Pentagon mock-up assumed the plane hit in level flight. If you look at the satellite photos you would see that the plane hit (damage shows this) with its wings planed at nearly 90 degerees (it was sideways and nose down).
Take it with your obviously large grain of salt.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #194,181
2/11/05 12:40:18 PM
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To support some claims...
I recall the ValuJet crash in Florida some years ago. Damn near no wreckage in that one either.
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Post #194,187
2/11/05 1:04:56 PM
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Further
[link|http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.html|http://archives.cnn....ctures/index.html]
Video is there. But...it must be a fake.
Elaborate hoax.
riiight.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #194,191
2/11/05 1:14:44 PM
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Re: Further
BePatient, it would be nice if you could explain the video anomalies that are addressed in the initial post. Thanks.
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Post #194,194
2/11/05 1:34:38 PM
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As opposed
to your ingnoring just how much evidence?
Talk about presumptuous.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #194,184
2/11/05 12:57:23 PM
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butter plane
"You show a fighter (made lighter/smaller for maneuvering) hitting a solid brick wall and expect the results to be the same as a much more rigid vehicle hitting essentially 3-4 inches of glass."
No, actually we all saw on television the plane, made largely out of aluminum, entering a building with an exterior that has steel columns. (The windows were between the columns.) The plane's wings and fuselage are making contact with the steel buildings. How does the plane enter the steel building like a hot knife through butter?
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Post #194,188
2/11/05 1:07:54 PM
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Easy. It's simple physics.
Go read [link|http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P2BaselineStrucPerf&AircraftImpact.pdf|this] 96 page .PDF from NIST that discusses the 767 impacts on the towers. Come back if you still have questions.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #194,190
2/11/05 1:13:15 PM
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Re: Easy. It's simple physics.
The NIST report is kind of a laughingstock on the Net. However, it has nothing to do with the current thread.
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Post #194,192
2/11/05 1:24:38 PM
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Wave your hands all you like...
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Post #194,195
2/11/05 1:37:12 PM
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Correct...
disproving your silly article has nothing to do with this thread.
We now return to (which exactly I'm not sure) your alternate reality...already in progress.
Who needs physics.
Gravity just sucks.
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Post #194,200
2/11/05 1:46:57 PM
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"The Net"?
What "Net"?
Peter
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Post #194,201
2/11/05 1:48:32 PM
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Re: "The Net"?
The Internet.
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Post #194,203
2/11/05 1:53:56 PM
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I repeat.
What "Net"?
The NIST report may well be a "laughingstock" on the conspiracy-oriented web sites, but on the web at large (the Internet is a network, as noted; as such it's lower-level than the WWW and carries services such as SMTP and NTP; sadly "The Internet" has become a synonym for "The World Wide Web". But I digress.) it's not fair to say that it's a "laughingstock".
Please note that I don't give a shit what the "blogosphere" thinks, either.
Peter
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Post #194,202
2/11/05 1:53:15 PM
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That thingie Al Gore invented, remember?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #194,228
2/11/05 3:46:46 PM
2/11/05 3:48:01 PM
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Re: Easy. It's simple physics.
Well, if you're asking us to take "kind of a laughingstock on the net" as sufficient grounds for dismissal of an article, I hate to tell you, but yours seems to have achieved that here, and in record time! Is that what you really intended to say?
Giovanni
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
Edited by GBert
Feb. 11, 2005, 03:48:01 PM EST
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Post #194,229
2/11/05 3:49:49 PM
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Well, there was that universal peace guy..
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Post #194,189
2/11/05 1:09:58 PM
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Well..
...there are much more skilled folks here to describe the physics of the issue.
Stuff like mass, inertia, tensile strength.
Send it to mythbusters. I don't think you'll get many takers here.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #194,218
2/11/05 2:31:26 PM
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'Cause we all know steel beats aluminum
Just like rock beats scissors. It's common knowledge.
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