Post #194,096
2/11/05 1:55:32 AM
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NHL Season is just about done for
Does anyone care? Will anyone go to watch the NHL assuming they play next year?
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Post #194,097
2/11/05 2:01:10 AM
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Whats the NHL?
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Post #194,098
2/11/05 2:02:35 AM
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Context?
What's NHL? Why is it done for?
National $SPORT League, I'm guessing.
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Post #194,099
2/11/05 2:11:20 AM
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National Hockey League
The players and owners are in a labor dispute, and neither side is budging. Both sides are acting like schoolchildren IMO.
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Post #194,100
2/11/05 2:30:21 AM
2/11/05 2:30:43 AM
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Hockey?
Oh, Ice hockey.
Hockey (as I know it) is a sport played by big, vaguely colonial (it's still a popular sport in the Indian subcontinent, at least among the educated classes) upper-class girls who know how to hurt you.[0]
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[0]May or may not be an inaccurate classist stereotype. All I know is that all my most painful sporting moments at school involved girls with hockey sticks and an uncanny ability to clip my ankle whilst giving a very good impression of going for the (hard, unforgiving) ball.
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Edited by pwhysall
Feb. 11, 2005, 02:30:43 AM EST
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Post #194,220
2/11/05 2:44:27 PM
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No, no, just hockey
The girls dishing out punishment with those small curved sticks, that's called field hockey.
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Post #194,142
2/11/05 10:22:08 AM
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Re: NHL Season is just about done for
I'm at a loss. The idjits can't figure out how to split up $2 billion dollars a year between them.
This sounds very much like why I don't watch basketball anymore since they had their labor dispute late last millennium. Problem is, I didn't much give a crap about basketball in the first place. I love hockey. I make an attempt to watch every game of the NHL finals, and most of the playoffs too, even when the New York Rangers don't make the playoffs (like 7 of the last 7 years).
Beth couldn't be happier that there's no NHL...I'm in misery. All sides look stupid.
Personally, I feel that I'm for a hard salary cap. In NFL football (where there's a hard salary cap), we generally have a new team winning every year or every other year. No team has ever won the Super Bowl three times in a row (yet). In baseball (where there's a "luxury tax" system (which George Steinbrenner thumbs his nose at annually)), the Yankees never miss the playoffs. In basketball...I neither know nor care.
In all, I have very little sympathy for players whose average salary is over $1M annually, and is up something like 85% over the last decade (no, I don't have the exact figures in front of me), complaining that they're not making enough money.
-YendorMike
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Post #194,171
2/11/05 12:13:15 PM
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I don't have a problem with their requests
Yes, the average salary may be over $1 million/year. But what's the average career? Contrast this with what the owners make. Is it so unreasonable to request a fairer distribution?
Now as I non-sports-fan I can also say ... if they screw up and skip a whole season, and drive down viewership by some large percentage, then they can go ahead and argue over the fair distribution of a much smaller pie and it wouldn't bother me at all.
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Post #194,227
2/11/05 3:37:18 PM
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The Great One made 3 million with the LA Kings.
He took them to the finals. And, because he was out with injury much of the season, gave one million of his salary back. You think Roenick (average salary $650,000/month) is worth more than Gretzky? Can you imagine any of the little prima dona shits in NHL sweaters doing what he did?
Fsck 'em. I hope Gretzky's right about one thing. That we will miss two seasons. Then either the turds in sweaters will realize they've been too damned greedy or enough recently graduated college kids can take their place.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #194,238
2/11/05 4:08:31 PM
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Well, just so long as along the way
most of the current owners go tits up too. They're basically trying to set up a business where they Can't Lose Money, No Matter How Stoopid They Are.
Needless to say, most of them have been Pretty Stoopid of late. Among other things, and unlike most other fields within an industry (ie- professional hockey in entertainment), the owners get to collude on salaries and how much they charge the customers, and they still can't figure it out. The real problem they have is they need to take the majority of small and mid cap teams and use that majority on the BoG of the NHL to bring the big cap teams' owners to heel on certain major issues. In short, the real reason salaries are so high (and in fact, seem so high; most grinders make less than one million a year) is because the big cap teams can price the smaller teams out of the market for the quality talent... and do so on a regular basis, bringing up to total cost of payroll for everybody. In short, the league owners lack discipline, have lacked it for years, but could hide it for the last ten years because they were all getting so rich on new team franchise fees. Now, they can't use that to staunch the bleeding anymore, and they're crying uncle.
IMhO, when the players offered a global rollback of 24%, they pretty much did it right; that puts total player salaries back into the app. range it should be (ie- ~50% of revenue), at which point the owners will be as a group easily profitable. The problem the owners have is that they already know they can't control themselves, and further REALLY REALLY know they can't control teams like the Leafs, Red Wings, and Rangers when they go shopping for that free agent to take them somewhere in the playoffs.
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Post #194,245
2/11/05 4:25:33 PM
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That's why you need a cap.
I don't disagree with much of what you wrote. But the fact remains we need a cap. The only way to handle the owners is to treat them like the children they are, and give them a fixed allowance.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #194,256
2/11/05 4:49:43 PM
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<evil>*grin*</evil>
Just pay every player the same amount...
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Post #194,264
2/11/05 5:31:02 PM
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Ooh, and pay bonuses for every minute played in every win
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Post #194,154
2/11/05 11:20:20 AM
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I'm putting last year's Cup on DVD to watch this year :)
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Post #194,329
2/12/05 2:29:19 AM
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I would
Watch it I mean, but I rarely ever went to games live, just when the Penguins came to town.
But I admit, I'm going nuts without hockey. It was one of my best stress relievers and anger releases. :)
And I sooooo miss Mario.
Brenda
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