Don't laugh. They exist. I've met some.

Post #193,936 by ben_tilly 2/10/05 7:29:15 AM Reply	Don't laugh. They exist. I've met some. Good astrologers are people with good intuition about other people, for whom astrology is a crutch to let them express insights that they otherwise couldn't. The astrology may be bunk, but what they have to say about you isn't. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #193,937 by pwhysall 2/10/05 7:38:04 AM Reply	I'll reserve judgement, then... ...until I've got some anecdotal evidence of my own. Until then... snort Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #193,942 by ben_tilly 2/10/05 8:42:22 AM Reply	Interesting "reserve" It looks all white and powdery. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #193,993 by Andrew Grygus 2/10/05 1:27:16 PM Reply	A fun one with a card reader. (a good card reader is the same as a good astrologer - just a different tool) I talked to a schoolteacher at a party who said she attended a retreat for teachers where a card reader was popular with the ladies. Her friends kept bugging her to have a reading. She explained to them how it was all bunk and she didn't believe in it, so there was no sense to her having a reading. Finally, just to quiet her friends, she agreed to have a reading done. She said she sat down and he spread out his cards and looked at them for a while. Then he said, "Well, the first thing you need to do is stop messing around with the guys at work". She said she didn't know what else he said because that hit so hard she didn't hear a word of it. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #194,077 by Ashton 2/10/05 11:06:16 PM Reply	Seconded. Again. I think you've phrased the 'talent' about as well as anyone has, usually in much longer sentences. I've mentioned my experience with one (though the astrology aspect wasn't our only connection, as friends). Backgrounds of such persons are also apt to be as varied as imaginable - Bennett had a math degree and also passed the Bar, but never 'practised'. He bloody-well knew 'the scientific method', what 'evidence is' and is not; yada. I also think it is []near-impossible for us ordinary folk to 'imagine' a talent/capability such as this in others; it demands an acute ability to pay Attention to people's overt and covert expressions, as well as to Listen (as well as any shrink is supposed-to) and then it requires ___ that insight* for which the word isn't at all revelatory. Most puzzling of all (por moi, anyway) was observing that - however we pop-ularly deprecate the 'planetary math' as some sort of crutch or artifice - it appeared to me that the accuracy of birth time and location was essential to making some of the more startlingly-accurate 'deductions'. All I knew was: It Fucking Worked.. byanyname. We 'Know' fucking-little about our inner machinations, despite all the published ego-exercises. Just look at our infantile 'religions'! purportedly "explaining the universe". In baby-talk.. which many of us Believe. goo goo google, da da That notions of 'astrology' would grate against the engrained Puritan, left-over Victorian sensibilities of these reactionary times -- is a hoot needing no Predictive abilities at all. moi [] William Blake said it best, ~as I recall: From possession of a second or a third sense - it is impossible to conceive of a fourth.* I See.. I See via orbital depleneration - - a village idiot juggling a kiloton of fissionable material; his nickname is, Butterfingers ...
Post #194,306 by Meerkat 2/11/05 11:02:37 PM Reply	So, a good astrologer == a psychologist, with props. Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #194,307 by Andrew Grygus 2/11/05 11:22:47 PM Reply	Not so much props . . . . . as guides off the beaten path. Both astrological symbology and tarot cards provide a vast selection of complex associations that won't ever be in the same order as before. The mind has to try to reconcile these associations and will be open to ideas and may come up with surprising things as it does so. Particularly the tarot, while each card carries complex meanings and they all fit into a systematic structure, the sturcture can't actually be systemized completely. Aleister Crowley tried damned hard and admited failure. This guarantees fresh new and different associations among complex ideas every time. The bad card reader and the bad astrologer are both convinced the tools constitute a rigid structure that must be analyzed precicely in accordance with a set of rules. They completely miss the point. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #194,308 by admin 2/11/05 11:26:06 PM Reply	Sounds like the I Ching, too. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #194,315 by Andrew Grygus 2/12/05 12:35:20 AM Reply	No doubt. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #194,311 by daemon 2/12/05 12:03:01 AM Reply	so rosarche tests are "props?" they are simply indicators and the "interpretation" can vary from good to bad shrinks and other aiders and abettors. Take a person who has a set of lips that look like a mepps number 7 treble hook and lure would not be out of place and say " I bet you are a pisces" 8 out of ten times you would be right. Its not science, its observation of comparisons over the centuries. Some are better at it than others. I do not claim to know astrology but fish lips are fish lips. regards, daemon I love her dearly, far beyond any creature I've ever known, and I can prove it, for never once in almost seventy years of married life have I taken her by the throat. Mind you, it's been a near thing once or twice. George Macdonald Frasier Clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]

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