And you're wrong on that

Post #193,468 by ben_tilly 2/7/05 4:28:34 PM Reply	And you're wrong on that There are also people who vote for someone because they believe that that someone will do the right thing, even though it may be personally inconvenient. Like someone returning a stranger's wallet, it is something that is easy to mock, but happens more than we think. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #193,530 by Simon_Jester 2/7/05 11:12:47 PM Reply	<grin> I'm not sure that that's not doing something for you...indirectly. :-) As such an individual would lead to better government (and less corruption) which would (eventually) benefit you again, no?
Post #193,535 by ben_tilly 2/8/05 12:03:08 AM Reply	That would be a big stretch With enough work you can coerce any theory into your preconceptions. The better way to reach in this case is to note that it is a benefit to me for me to see things that I want to happen, happen. This, of course, pushes the problem down one level, and we're now left to wonder if people only want things of benefit to themselves. (The answer to which may depend on how we define "benefit".) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #193,754 by Simon_Jester 2/8/05 11:45:35 PM Reply	Perhaps... but I guess I don't look at the situation as a us-vs-them approach whereas they are evil (or greedy) and we're wholesome (and perhaps stupid. ;-)). Each group works toward their own self-interest to some degree and to their vision for the country. I'm not about to claim their vision is evil as I believe that is intellectually dishonest. I do have lots of problems with their vision for the country, for a variety of reasons, and am more than willing to point those out. But I won't be dishonest with myself to claim that I'm not working toward my own vision and my own self-interests. Back to the original post (to tie it all back together again), I don't agree with Bush's tactics for cutting subsidies to the farmers will bring lower food prices to Americans (or that it's beneficial to our farmers). I do agree with Jay that tariffs are a better solution than subsides. And yes, I think (as a liberal) that if you voted for Bush and are now getting nailed by his polities, you're getting what you deserve and have no right to complain.

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