Or even...

Post #190,471 by Another Scott 1/17/05 10:04:08 AM Reply	Or even... Forgive me for being against setting up an 'underclass' based on people's beliefs. ... or even one's perception of people's beliefs. E.g. [link\|http://www.beliefnet.com/story/155/story_15546.html\|2004 Exit Poll Results] from beliefnet: 21% of the "White Evangelical/Born Again" voters said they voted for Kerry. 31% of those claiming "None" as their religion said they voted for Bush. 36% who said they never attended church said they voted for Bush. 22% of those who said that abortion should be illegal in all cases said they voted for Kerry. Etc. How would Mike go about determining who was banned? Cheers, Scott.
Post #190,500 by mmoffitt 1/17/05 4:43:20 PM Reply	Err, look at your stuff from a different angle. ~79% of the "White Evangelical/Born Again" voters said they voted for Bush. ~69% of those claiming "None" as their religion said they voted for Kerry. ~64% who said they had attended church said they voted for Bush. ~78% of those who said that abortion should be illegal in all cases said they voted for Bush. Maybe I'll use your stuff to decide ;0) bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,501 by Another Scott 1/17/05 4:58:30 PM Reply	A majority isn't all. This brings us back to your 50.5% in Jesusland... How do you decide who in Jesusland shouldn't be able to serve in office or vote or whatever? In the last election, ~20+% of the people in Jesusland voted against Bush. If we accept for the sake of argument that the 80% are a danger, how do you determine who in Jesusland should be able to vote or run for office? Do you decide to not take chances and just exclude them all, just to be sure? Do you eliminate the secret ballot in Jesusland? Do you require that people in Jesusland who attend certain churches have to wear certain symbols? Would some political questionaire be required before a person in Jesusland could register to vote or run for office? It's a really bad position you're taking... Cheers, Scott.
Post #190,505 by jb4 1/17/05 6:11:48 PM Reply	Not a bad idea... Do you eliminate the secret ballot in Jesusland? I'll bet the vast majority of the sack-o-hair in Jesusland would go for it. That way, they'll know, "Who's for us and who's again' us!" After all, if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear! jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #190,563 by mmoffitt 1/18/05 8:15:48 AM Reply	How about a civics test? Achieving the age of 18 chronologically seems to me to be an insufficient credential for contributing to the decision of whom sits atop the world's only remaining superpower (wrt militia, of course. We are rapidly becoming an "also ran" in economic power). bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,570 by Another Scott 1/18/05 9:21:47 AM Reply	Who writes the test? Who judges it?
Post #190,633 by Ashton 1/18/05 5:15:57 PM Reply	moi?
Post #190,656 by mmoffitt 1/18/05 6:40:24 PM Reply	^^^^ I'd be comfortable with that. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,657 by inthane-chan 1/18/05 6:41:16 PM Reply	And when he passes on... ...or becomes too mentally feeble to continue updating it - who then? And then who? And then who? And then who? "Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
Post #190,659 by mmoffitt 1/18/05 6:45:15 PM Reply	Me. Then, my kids. Then, ... we launch all the nukes and leave it to Gawd. [image\|/forums/images/warning.png\|0\|This is sarcasm...] bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,760 by Arkadiy 1/19/05 10:26:13 AM Reply	Of course you would But it doesn't scale. -- - I was involuntarily self-promoted into management. [link\|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484\|Richard Stallman]
Post #190,765 by mmoffitt 1/19/05 10:42:41 AM Reply	It should ;0) bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,774 by GBert 1/19/05 11:36:08 AM Reply	Civics test would be counterproductive! No worries, the random reliance on actual vote counts has already been corrected for! And wrt economic power vs military power, I think we need to look at things a little differently... the civics-lesson approach tells us that we are the most powerful and free country in the world, and that we should continue to do good, that our best interests are to lead the world into a better era. BUT THAT'S OLD THINKING. That's optimistic, rose-colored, weak-kneed, bleeding-heart, depending-on-others, limp-wristed pap. You gotta think CRISIS. You gotta think stingy. You gotta think mean. You gotta think Last chance. You gotta think Nothing to lose. We only have a few good years of dominance left, are rapidly heading towards irrelevance, and the nice-guy civics-lesson good-world-citizen approach is only going to accelerate the process of landing us into the also-ran bin, while handing a nice working productive world over to China. Once that happens, we'll have nothing to show for it and no way to get out of it forever. By stirring things up the way we have been these past years (and wait -- there's more!), we may create chances for a catastrophic success somewhere, and if we still lose, at least we'll have poisoned the well so whoever takes over will have a hard time of it -- and who knows, leave ourselves a little leverage to work with. Giovanni Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that.
Post #190,883 by daemon 1/19/05 8:17:44 PM Reply	read the voting rights act of 1964 been there, done that and it didnt work the first time regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]

Welcome to IWETHEY!