Post #189,140
1/5/05 5:14:34 PM
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Wondering...
What kind of event would it take to make the draft swallowable by American Public Opinion?
Giovanni
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
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Post #189,144
1/5/05 5:23:22 PM
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politicians' kids get drafted first
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Post #189,145
1/5/05 5:24:17 PM
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Not even that.
It won't ever win a poll.
No matter how its done.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #189,204
1/6/05 10:21:30 AM
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Y'all have no imagination?
I personally don't think it would be at all difficult to sell a draft in the event of an important war started by someone big against a strategic interest of ours (a large-scale low-tech invasion of South Korea by North Korean and Chinese troops).
I was thinking that somewhere short of a real nightmare scenario, yet perceivably beyond just slowly running out of options in Iraq, there may be a sweet spot that could be leveraged. Uncovering an al-Qaeda/Iranian/Syrian plot to firebomb the Capitol in DC? Finding an ex-russian nuke of unknown provenance in a basement in Anacostia?
Giovanni
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
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Post #189,317
1/7/05 1:52:31 PM
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I'd agree but...
I was also expecting them to "find" some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They don't appear to have cheated on that, so they might not cheat on this.
Incidental note. The fact that Jeb Bush was sent on the tsunami tour suggests to me that he'll be the annointed successor to George. I won't take bets yet, but I suspect it.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #189,327
1/7/05 3:40:12 PM
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I thought they'd "find" WMDs as well
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
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Post #189,369
1/7/05 9:31:31 PM
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Re: Jeb Bush anointment.
That was my first thought on hearing of his trip with Powell. Jeb is an expert in sitting in helicopters, surveying the damage and saying "Wow!" Got to have those photo "ops"!
The Bush dynasty in the making.
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #189,394
1/8/05 10:15:47 AM
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dont think jeb wants it, but his kid is another story
1/2 cuban, speaks both languages, lawyer. Good looking kid (as opposed to his sister) and active in politics.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #189,398
1/8/05 10:23:56 AM
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I don't think Jeb wants it either.
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Post #189,146
1/5/05 5:25:32 PM
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Re: Wondering...
Answer: Duh! stating that he had a dream where Godh told him he must reinstate the draft in Jee-zhus' name! (Put your hands on the monitor!)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #189,148
1/5/05 5:28:24 PM
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Interesting 2
Now implication is that all 51% are motivated by blind acceptance of things "Gawdly".
Just an observation.
About as true as "Fair and Balanced" I wot.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #189,151
1/5/05 5:31:53 PM
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Welcome to Jesusland!
Where the (voting) majority considers its leaders repeatedly lying to its constituency as a Moral Value\ufffd
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #189,153
1/5/05 5:39:58 PM
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Oh...and
"I did not have sexual relations" was the gospel truth?
Come on...it is a wholesale expectation that when ANY politicians lips are moving its a lie.
But thats ok...cause I'm sure your wife/SO will tell you that blow jobs don't count.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #189,243
1/6/05 5:49:54 PM
1/6/05 5:50:10 PM
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Well, then...
...how do you explain the exit polls?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
Jan. 6, 2005, 05:50:10 PM EST
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Post #189,245
1/6/05 5:53:03 PM
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same way I explain my polls, lie like a dog
am I the only one tired of exit polls bullshit?
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #189,246
1/6/05 5:57:11 PM
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Ya can't make that stuff up!
Unless, of course, the exit polls were tabulated by Diebold....
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #189,259
1/6/05 8:11:12 PM
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sure you can, I was asked upon exiting
and stated I voted for Nader, Im sure Im not the only one. I ask whoever is being polled to agree and then lie about every issue until polls are a relic and unreliable, half way there :-)
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,290
1/7/05 9:08:33 AM
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Yes, and I'm sure that you told them...
...the reason you voted for Nader was his "strong moral values" too, didn't you? After all, BeeP says you must have, so therefore you did...didn't you??
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #189,350
1/7/05 7:37:12 PM
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sorry, wasnt asked why, just who
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,265
1/6/05 8:38:23 PM
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Several factors...
...location of polling, voters who lied (like our friend here), pollsters who lied, insignificant sample size compared to turnout, etc...
Or you would rather believe that there is a vast right wing conspiricy in several states to manipulate vote count.
Where would Occam come down on this?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #189,293
1/7/05 9:22:38 AM
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Sample size vs turnout....
is, statistically speaking, a bogus argument given the law of averages.
Now, if you want to argue that the sample was biased....
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Post #189,351
1/7/05 7:39:08 PM
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if they took the poll during the day, skewed results
after all its all welfare moms, seniors and drug dealers who dont have jobs to goto.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,149
1/5/05 5:29:19 PM
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Economic crash
Then the wise and benevolent gov critters claim that the only way to protect established families is to get the new competition enlisted in the armed forces where they will be heroes and the old farts can work until they\ufffdre dead. This protects families and marriage, promotes youth in a manner of speaking, and keeps their phony baloney jobs. WIN WIN.
If you don\ufffdt agree with this, you must be some kind of terrieroust, so answer your door promptly, hear?
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