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New The language got corrupted,
the words have no menaing any longer, why the hell do you keep talking? Apparently, only you, yourself, can understand you hundred percent. The rest of us always get you wrong. "It's all projection on your part" (Oh, no, "please read *me* in my words". Now I am beginnig to get it, Peter).

Yes, I would be insulted if you call me "foulwell". Guess what, every time you utter "Christian" with no qualifications and explanations, it's exactly what happens (or would have been happening, weren't I Jewish). And then you wonder why people call you "Mr. Binary".

Somehow other people manage to get their ardent atheism and disdain for some forms of religion across without calling me Foulwell. Is language less corrupted for Ben Tilly? Do I get smarter all of a sudden when I read his posts? (well, if I don't it's not his fault)

Ashton, if you wanted to call me "Foulwell", you got it very well. If you wanted to say something else, you failed. I know you're a decent person, in your innermost self. Heck, I know that about everyone on this board. When your writing does not sound decent, something is amiss. It may just be me. Then again, "The people have lost the confidence of the government; the government has decided to dissolve the people, and to appoint another one".



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This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet.

-- [link|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx|The] Daily WTF

New Miss the whole point about labelling, again?
the.. What. If. I called you.. Totally, d0oD?


Of course you aren't Christian (all n+1 varieties). You have so-stated. Nor do I imagine I 'know' what it means to you to be 'Jewish' - ethnicity? religious dogma? familial habit? All varieties of Jewish sects and their arguments interpreting the Torah?
{Sheesh} at least I Know I don't know that which you stand-for, fall-from - because of some bloody Label-attached. Only can I infer from what you write - where you might 'stand' on some topic.

It was an example of *why* the stupid labels fail, fer Moses' sake!
'Twas you who attached a few to moi. I read Ben's post re the different 'perceptions' and also categories of the 'right' - as a perfectly adequate exposition of why the labels are meaningless (without personal explanation). And I concur with Silverlock's assertion: none of us here! is 'typical' - in the vague sense that we imagine that "most people" - 'mean' them [??] fuzzy.. fuzzy..

So why do you persist in assigning such? Is their uselessness not yet demonstrated adequately? Most here have been exposed to a 'liberal' education and -by now- surely possess some small agenda: of things in the US' founding Principles, which each deems worthy of fighting to "conserve" and things apparently needing re-form -- *all* the personal reasons for each POV will vary as much as does a Life lived in this milieu!

Left <--> Right labels are the most hopelessly useless in '04;
comparisons with "bomb throwing Anarchists" or "Nazi State Corporatists" as extreme polarities?
W.T.F. do such caricatures have to do with transmitting any useful information by or about any one of us 'here' - or for that matter, amidst the 300M?


(Despising Neoconmen and all who sail in Her, does not a Democrat-party affiliate make). Nor does ab=ba apply in human matters. As one who is Conservative (of the US Constitution) and deems that the present cabal has a quite different list it wants to substitute: then, Am I Not "a Conservative"? Is it "conservative" to wish to replace governmental control of the country with - control exercised by Corporate outright purchase of the 'peoples' representatives? Is opposing that actuality, then: 'left' or 'right' vis a vis The Constitution? Need another dozen examples?

QED - it's bloody language murder. {sheesh}2
Yes, I would be insulted if you call me "foulwell". Guess what, every time you utter "Christian" with no qualifications and explanations, it's exactly what happens (or would have been happening, weren't I Jewish). And then you wonder why people call you "Mr. Binary".
'Christians' self-identify regularly, completely without indication of the particular sub-set of selected material and interpretation, much of those choices being contradictory 'Beliefs' <--> to those of Other 'Christians' [!] cf. >THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN<

Perhaps we need a new '04 Label re Evangelicals? / Revelations facilitators? / Persons advocating a Fundamentalist Theocracy to replace the US Constitution?
(3 separate ones, or will one New Label suffice?)
These are, the numbers suggest: a significant voter bloc, so it is not absurd to assign a Party Name - so shall it be:
Republicans, Democrats, Apolcalypse-Nextians? or ____

When someone calls self a 'Christian', I tend to assign a very simple meaning: "OK, this one likely goes to a church of some kind". (And that too, is apt to be wrong, sometimes).
WTF do *you* think, "I am a *Christian* MEANS !?
Do you impute a whole list of things?
If you do..

* or a Jew?!

Mr. Binary, eh? Actually: hadn't wondered any such thing about "my perception" [and.. by Whom?]; but if you say so..

Have you nothing orthogonal to Black/White Yes/No - even whilst trying for a label about "a one's attitude towards 'binary thinking'"? ;-)
Is that meta-disinformation or What?


I Who Be,
Mr. Analogue
Screw Yes/No.


Edit typo.
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     Thoughts on the election - (JayMehaffey) - (96)
         Personally, I think he's blasphemous - (jake123)
         Thoughts on your thoughts - (bepatient) - (79)
             It's always a tough call - (JayMehaffey) - (48)
                 backing, moore and aclu - (daemon)
                 Wow. - (bepatient) - (10)
                     Re: Wow. - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
                         "so what" about the gay issue. - (bepatient) - (7)
                             Really? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                 3 of them. - (admin)
                                 why a "civil union" and lets ignore religo marital issues - (daemon) - (2)
                                     So when you have your second heart attack... - (jb4) - (1)
                                         sorry a general power of attourney puts you there - (daemon)
                                 Banning Gay Marriage (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
                             The gay civil union issue is important . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                         That's exactly the problem - (drewk)
                 "The distain was entirly in your mind. " - (Arkadiy) - (35)
                     As was the post by mmoffitt to this thread. -NT - (altmann) - (1)
                         I give up. I can't find my post in this thread. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                     How utterly Bolshevik of you. - (mmoffitt) - (32)
                         Even though you may disagree, - (Arkadiy) - (31)
                             Yeah, try me - (ben_tilly) - (14)
                                 Believe it or not - (Arkadiy) - (13)
                                     I find that hard to believe - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                         Welcome to the distorted view that the US has of itself - (jake123)
                                         Two of your items pull you to the right: - (Arkadiy) - (10)
                                             Curious look - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                                                 "In this town, people are what they are percieved to be" -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                                     Perceived by whom? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                         Actually, I think I misquoted - (Arkadiy)
                                             Civil liberties is a right-wing philosophy? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                                 Two facts: - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                                     I've come to find... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                         I think I have to agree - (Silverlock)
                                                         "average programmer" :) -NT - (Arkadiy)
                                                     Well there are multiple "right"s - (ben_tilly)
                             Did someone say howls? - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                 Huh? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                     Read me in *my* posts. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                         Oh, I see MM reference, I just don't get how it's connected - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             MM's sig oooO0Oooo - (bepatient)
                             Pure balderdash - language murder 1st Class - (Ashton) - (2)
                                 The language got corrupted, - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     Miss the whole point about labelling, again? - (Ashton)
                             You "know I call myself a Communist"? - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                 I seem to remeber reading that in your posts... - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                     Confused. :-) - (mmoffitt)
                                     he is an OP communist :-) - (daemon)
                                 Uh, here - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I'd be a communist, but I'm not good enough. Close.... -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         A good communits is a dead communist - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             That sounds like what I heard in church as a tot. - (mmoffitt)
             You haven't been paying attention, have you? - (ben_tilly) - (29)
                 Yes, I have. - (bepatient) - (28)
                     That's an impossible standard to reach - (ben_tilly) - (22)
                         Whatever. - (bepatient) - (21)
                             No, YOU missed the point - (ben_tilly) - (20)
                                 They can try what Tony Blair did. - (Another Scott)
                                 Oh, somehow I don't think so. - (bepatient) - (13)
                                     Yes, let's go back to the gay issue - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                         Priceless. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                             Suggestion - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                                                 How I would've put it - (jake123) - (4)
                                                     And what is a "state's rights issue"? - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                         An issue that is under the purview of the state government - (jake123) - (2)
                                                             A complication for you - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                 Who said it has to make sense? - (jake123)
                                                 I already told you. - (bepatient)
                                             Not anyone. Just (at least) 50% of 'em... -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                                 Re: Not anyone. Just (at least) 50% of 'em... - (bepatient)
                                         Another good example - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                             DING DING DING DING - (bepatient)
                                 Here's a suggestion, Ben - (jb4) - (1)
                                     reminds me of LBJ - (daemon)
                                 No he didn't - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     Tippecanoe and Tyler, too. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         right - the more things change.. - (deSitter)
                     So where do we go from here? - (GBert) - (4)
                         Now, now...be nice... - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                             Been reading Karl's playbook? 65 kB .gif - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 You broke it, you bought it. -NT - (admin)
                         Can you get me into Italy? :) -NT - (deSitter)
         Let's roll baby -NT - (deSitter)
         Re: Thoughts on the election - (JvlivsCaesar) - (1)
             you havnt met Jerold Nadler have you? - (daemon)
         found in the local letter to the editor - (daemon)
         Where do I sign up? - (jb4) - (10)
             Nope. Your guy was just elected in Illinois. - (bepatient) - (9)
                 Clear, concise, well spoken, hyper-intelligent != attack dog - (jb4) - (8)
                     Yes it does. - (bepatient) - (7)
                         ObPedanticSpellingNit - it's "rhetoric". - (jake123) - (6)
                             /me crooks his finger and talks to it: - (admin) - (4)
                                 Don't forget to use that "croaky" voice. -NT - (bepatient) - (3)
                                     Nah, high and whiny - (jake123) - (2)
                                         Think he was going for the "Shining" angle. -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                             yeah, I just had something different in mind. - (jake123)
                             Ack...what was I thinking? - (bepatient)

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