Pure balderdash - language murder 1st Class

Post #183,910 by Ashton 11/12/04 2:57:45 AM Reply	Pure balderdash - language murder 1st Class and a perfect op. cit. for General Language Murder 101A / Remedial. Until there is a 'legend'/glossary-of-terms at IWE "delineating" what - - - - - - [all of us agree to mean! HERE] - - - - - - by such terms as, Left, Right, Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Reactionary, Liberal ... and the other {blab} words: [Let's not even try-for Liberty, Freedom, Security, Patriotism, TRUTH! -- OK?] Till then: You are squarely within Stuart Chase's DEFINITION of blab words usage. ie Meaningless Labels, Tags, often epithets - and all subject to the winds of daily trendy adjectives appended .. like 'Compassionate Conservative' and the useless rest. No two people mean The Same Thing. Imagine what you like, but it Is all projection on your part. What if I saw Jerry Foulwell, who says he's a Christian, then saw you saying ~ "I'm a Christian" -?- Foulwell == Arkadiy? (tell me you wouldn't be insulted). Then when you relate that list <--> to some automatic Party? political philosophy overall? {Sheesh} - wanna take on moral.. too? When language is corrupt, as I assert Ours now Is - special-words need to be Declared in advance, like in those cute other languages you daily use, with lots of ;;;; at the outset - since the traditional labels have become utterly meaningless.. except for parody or simply, invective. And where philosophy intermingles with an individual's metaphysical attitudes, you shall be walking across that [increasingly familiar '00 term] quagmire called ~ massive presumptuousness. [Это будет массивнейшая презумпция на вашей части] ? ie there is NO 'party' nor organized corporate 'religion' which comes very nearto my "views" of the maya / the daily illusions portrayed by various senses. (Maybe when Beep comes up with his list of "what I want to Conserve" and you decide what "compassionate" means in political terms: we may have the seed corn for the mentioned glossary.) PS It's easy to mock 'Christians' - no TWO of them 'believe' quite the Same Thing! -- and it is a palpable rarity when any ONE of them chastises ANOTHER for spewing hate-filled bigotry inJesus'nameAmen. And if these all ARE 'Christians' ?? What Does That Mean ?? Ashton, card-carrying member of the Anti-Hypocrite Party, should one ever exist, stark enough for simple bipeds to feign allegiance-to. Humankind cannot bear very much reality. -- TS Eliot
Post #184,081 by Arkadiy 11/15/04 10:07:01 AM Reply	The language got corrupted, the words have no menaing any longer, why the hell do you keep talking? Apparently, only you, yourself, can understand you hundred percent. The rest of us always get you wrong. "It's all projection on your part" (Oh, no, "please read me in my words". Now I am beginnig to get it, Peter). Yes, I would be insulted if you call me "foulwell". Guess what, every time you utter "Christian" with no qualifications and explanations, it's exactly what happens (or would have been happening, weren't I Jewish). And then you wonder why people call you "Mr. Binary". Somehow other people manage to get their ardent atheism and disdain for some forms of religion across without calling me Foulwell. Is language less corrupted for Ben Tilly? Do I get smarter all of a sudden when I read his posts? (well, if I don't it's not his fault) Ashton, if you wanted to call me "Foulwell", you got it very well. If you wanted to say something else, you failed. I know you're a decent person, in your innermost self. Heck, I know that about everyone on this board. When your writing does not sound decent, something is amiss. It may just be me. Then again, "The people have lost the confidence of the government; the government has decided to dissolve the people, and to appoint another one". -- This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet. -- [link\|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx\|The] Daily WTF
Post #184,146 by Ashton 11/15/04 6:46:41 PM 11/15/04 6:50:08 PM Reply	Miss the whole point about labelling, again? the.. What. If. I called you.. Totally, d0oD? Of course you aren't Christian (all n+1 varieties). You have so-stated. Nor do I imagine I 'know' what it means to you to be 'Jewish' - ethnicity? religious dogma? familial habit? All varieties of Jewish sects and their arguments interpreting the Torah? {Sheesh} at least I Know I don't know that which you stand-for, fall-from - because of some bloody Label-attached. Only can I infer from what you write - where you might 'stand' on some topic. It was an example of why the stupid labels fail, fer Moses' sake! 'Twas you who attached a few to moi. I read Ben's post re the different 'perceptions' and also categories of the 'right' - as a perfectly adequate exposition of why the labels are meaningless (without personal explanation). And I concur with Silverlock's assertion: none of us here! is 'typical' - in the vague sense that we imagine that "most people" - 'mean' them [??] fuzzy.. fuzzy.. So why do you persist in assigning such? Is their uselessness not yet demonstrated adequately? Most here have been exposed to a 'liberal' education and -by now- surely possess some small agenda: of things in the US' founding Principles, which each deems worthy of fighting to "conserve" and things apparently needing re-form -- all the personal reasons for each POV will vary as much as does a Life lived in this milieu! Left <--> Right labels are the most hopelessly useless in '04; comparisons with "bomb throwing Anarchists" or "Nazi State Corporatists" as extreme polarities? W.T.F. do such caricatures have to do with transmitting any useful information by or about any one of us 'here' - or for that matter, amidst the 300M? (Despising Neoconmen and all who sail in Her, does not a Democrat-party affiliate make). Nor does ab=ba apply in human matters. As one who is Conservative (of the US Constitution) and deems that the present cabal has a quite different list it wants to substitute: then, Am I Not "a Conservative"? Is it "conservative" to wish to replace governmental control of the country with - control exercised by Corporate outright purchase of the 'peoples' representatives? Is opposing that actuality, then: 'left' or 'right' vis a vis The Constitution? Need another dozen examples? QED - it's bloody language murder. {sheesh}² Yes, I would be insulted if you call me "foulwell". Guess what, every time you utter "Christian" with no qualifications and explanations, it's exactly what happens (or would have been happening, weren't I Jewish). And then you wonder why people call you "Mr. Binary". 'Christians' self-identify regularly, completely without indication of the particular sub-set of selected material and interpretation, much of those choices being contradictory 'Beliefs' <--> to those of Other 'Christians' [!] cf. >THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN< Perhaps we need a new '04 Label re Evangelicals? / Revelations facilitators? / Persons advocating a Fundamentalist Theocracy to replace the US Constitution? (3 separate ones, or will one New Label suffice?) These are, the numbers suggest: a significant voter bloc, so it is not absurd to assign a Party Name - so shall it be: Republicans, Democrats, Apolcalypse-Nextians? or ____ When someone calls self a 'Christian', I tend to assign a very simple meaning: "OK, this one likely goes to a church of some kind". (And that too, is apt to be wrong, sometimes). WTF do you think, "I am a Christian MEANS !? Do you impute a whole list of things? If you do.. * or a Jew?! Mr. Binary, eh? Actually: hadn't wondered any such thing about "my perception" [and.. by Whom?]; but if you say so.. Have you nothing orthogonal to Black/White Yes/No - even whilst trying for a label about "a one's attitude towards 'binary thinking'"? ;-) Is that meta-disinformation or What? I Who Be, Mr. Analogue Screw Yes/No. Edit typo. Edited by Ashton Nov. 15, 2004, 06:50:08 PM EST Expand All History

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