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[link|http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1022-01.htm|Common Dreams]
Nonetheless, 56 percent of Bush supporters said they believed that most experts currently believe that Iraq had actual WMD, and 57 percent said they thought that the Duelfer Report had itself concluded that Iraq either had WMD (19 percent) or a major WMD program (38 percent).

Only 26 percent of Kerry supporters, by contrast, said they believed that pre-war Iraq had either actual WMD or a WMD program, and only 18 percent said they believed that \ufffdmost experts\ufffd agreed.

Similar results were found with respect to Hussein\ufffds alleged support for al Qaeda, a theory that has been most persistently asserted by Vice president Dick Cheney, but that was thoroughly debunked by the final report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission earlier this summer.

Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters said they believed that Iraq was providing \ufffdsubstantial\ufffd support to Al Qaeda, with 20 percent asserting that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Sixty-three percent of Bush supporters even believed that the clear evidence of such support has actually been found, and 60 percent believe that \ufffdmost experts\ufffd have reached the same conclusion.

By contrast, only 30 percent of Kerry supporters said they believe that such a link existed and that most experts agree.

But large majorities of both Bush and Kerry supporters agree that the administration is saying that Iraq had WMD and was providing substantial support to al Qaeda. In regard to WMD, those majorities have actually grown since last summer, according to PIPA.

On WMD, 82 percent of Bush supporters and 84 percent of Kerry supporters believed that the administration is saying that Iraq either had WMD or major WMD programs. On ties with al Qaeda, 75 percent of Bush supporters and 74 percent of Kerry supporters believe that the administration is saying that Iraq provided substantial support to the terrorist group.

Remarkably, asked whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq if U.S. intelligence had concluded that Baghdad did not have a WMD program and was not providing support to al Qaeda, 58 percent of Bush supporters said no, and 61 percent said they assumed that Bush would also not have gone to war under those circumstances.


In particular, majorities or Bush supporters incorrectly assumed that he supports multilateral approaches to various international issues, including the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) (69 percent), the land mine treaty (72 percent), and the Kyoto Protocol to curb greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming (51 percent).

In August, two thirds of Bush supporters also said they believed that Bush supported the International Criminal Court (ICC), although in the latest poll, that figure dropped to a 53 percent majority, even though Bush explicitly denounced the ICC in the most widely watched nationally televised debate of the campaign in late September.

In all of these cases, majorities of Bush supporters said they favored the positions that they imputed, incorrectly, to Bush.

Large majorities of Kerry supporters, on the other hand, showed they knew both their candidate\ufffds and Bush\ufffds positions on the same issues.

All the evidence says rather directly that Kerry supporters where better informed then Bush supporters. More over, it appears that a significant percentage of Bush supporters do so only because they are missinformed.

What this doesn't answer is the question of how much of this problem is self deception by Bush supporters, how much is failure of Kerry to be specific, how much is deceptive statements by the White House and how much is failure to inform on the part of the Press.

Jay
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how much is failure to inform on the part of the Press.


And how much is that particular story part of the problem?

Ask the same questions to each audience and show all results. Everywhere. South Central, Bronx, West Philly...everywhere.

I happened to agree 100% with Mr Stewart when he fired at the crossfire guys. He is >right<. They fail to do what they say they intend to do...which is inform. All of the 24 hour news networks and certainly the 3 majors fail at this.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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     Thoughts on the election - (JayMehaffey) - (96)
         Personally, I think he's blasphemous - (jake123)
         Thoughts on your thoughts - (bepatient) - (79)
             It's always a tough call - (JayMehaffey) - (48)
                 backing, moore and aclu - (daemon)
                 Wow. - (bepatient) - (10)
                     Re: Wow. - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
                         "so what" about the gay issue. - (bepatient) - (7)
                             Really? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                 3 of them. - (admin)
                                 why a "civil union" and lets ignore religo marital issues - (daemon) - (2)
                                     So when you have your second heart attack... - (jb4) - (1)
                                         sorry a general power of attourney puts you there - (daemon)
                                 Banning Gay Marriage (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
                             The gay civil union issue is important . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                         That's exactly the problem - (drewk)
                 "The distain was entirly in your mind. " - (Arkadiy) - (35)
                     As was the post by mmoffitt to this thread. -NT - (altmann) - (1)
                         I give up. I can't find my post in this thread. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                     How utterly Bolshevik of you. - (mmoffitt) - (32)
                         Even though you may disagree, - (Arkadiy) - (31)
                             Yeah, try me - (ben_tilly) - (14)
                                 Believe it or not - (Arkadiy) - (13)
                                     I find that hard to believe - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                         Welcome to the distorted view that the US has of itself - (jake123)
                                         Two of your items pull you to the right: - (Arkadiy) - (10)
                                             Curious look - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                                                 "In this town, people are what they are percieved to be" -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                                     Perceived by whom? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                         Actually, I think I misquoted - (Arkadiy)
                                             Civil liberties is a right-wing philosophy? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                                 Two facts: - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                                     I've come to find... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                         I think I have to agree - (Silverlock)
                                                         "average programmer" :) -NT - (Arkadiy)
                                                     Well there are multiple "right"s - (ben_tilly)
                             Did someone say howls? - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                 Huh? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                     Read me in *my* posts. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                         Oh, I see MM reference, I just don't get how it's connected - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             MM's sig oooO0Oooo - (bepatient)
                             Pure balderdash - language murder 1st Class - (Ashton) - (2)
                                 The language got corrupted, - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     Miss the whole point about labelling, again? - (Ashton)
                             You "know I call myself a Communist"? - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                 I seem to remeber reading that in your posts... - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                     Confused. :-) - (mmoffitt)
                                     he is an OP communist :-) - (daemon)
                                 Uh, here - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I'd be a communist, but I'm not good enough. Close.... -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         A good communits is a dead communist - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             That sounds like what I heard in church as a tot. - (mmoffitt)
             You haven't been paying attention, have you? - (ben_tilly) - (29)
                 Yes, I have. - (bepatient) - (28)
                     That's an impossible standard to reach - (ben_tilly) - (22)
                         Whatever. - (bepatient) - (21)
                             No, YOU missed the point - (ben_tilly) - (20)
                                 They can try what Tony Blair did. - (Another Scott)
                                 Oh, somehow I don't think so. - (bepatient) - (13)
                                     Yes, let's go back to the gay issue - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                         Priceless. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                             Suggestion - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                                                 How I would've put it - (jake123) - (4)
                                                     And what is a "state's rights issue"? - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                         An issue that is under the purview of the state government - (jake123) - (2)
                                                             A complication for you - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                 Who said it has to make sense? - (jake123)
                                                 I already told you. - (bepatient)
                                             Not anyone. Just (at least) 50% of 'em... -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                                 Re: Not anyone. Just (at least) 50% of 'em... - (bepatient)
                                         Another good example - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                             DING DING DING DING - (bepatient)
                                 Here's a suggestion, Ben - (jb4) - (1)
                                     reminds me of LBJ - (daemon)
                                 No he didn't - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     Tippecanoe and Tyler, too. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         right - the more things change.. - (deSitter)
                     So where do we go from here? - (GBert) - (4)
                         Now, now...be nice... - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                             Been reading Karl's playbook? 65 kB .gif - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 You broke it, you bought it. -NT - (admin)
                         Can you get me into Italy? :) -NT - (deSitter)
         Let's roll baby -NT - (deSitter)
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             you havnt met Jerold Nadler have you? - (daemon)
         found in the local letter to the editor - (daemon)
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                 Clear, concise, well spoken, hyper-intelligent != attack dog - (jb4) - (8)
                     Yes it does. - (bepatient) - (7)
                         ObPedanticSpellingNit - it's "rhetoric". - (jake123) - (6)
                             /me crooks his finger and talks to it: - (admin) - (4)
                                 Don't forget to use that "croaky" voice. -NT - (bepatient) - (3)
                                     Nah, high and whiny - (jake123) - (2)
                                         Think he was going for the "Shining" angle. -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                             yeah, I just had something different in mind. - (jake123)
                             Ack...what was I thinking? - (bepatient)

They just don't work, in the real world outside Gosling's beard.
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