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New An issue that is under the purview of the state government
as opposed to the federal government.

By framing it as a states' right issue, you frame it in a way that is definitely comprehensible to the south-eastern vote. "States' Rights" is a buzzword and people do know what it means in general, even if they can't discuss the particulars very well.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New A complication for you
Most people understand the word "married" to mean one thing. The idea that MA says that you're married by OH doesn't is very confusing.

And yes, I'm fully aware that there are multiple definitions already. For instance the Catholic Church says that I'm not married while every US state says that I am. For another example, I know a gay couple who got married in Greece. Greece recognizes it but no US state (except possibly MA) recognizes that marriage.

But how many people in the general public are going to think that it makes sense unless it is explained carefully? Or even if it is explained carefully (as already noted, they're not paying much attention so careful explanations are generally a waste of breath).

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Who said it has to make sense?
You're talking electoral politics in the US here. Looking for sense is a fool's errand.

In short, you don't (and more specifically, Kerry didn't) have to fully explain it. What he needed to say was:

"Marriage is handled by the states, and it won't be my place as President of this country to tell them how they should handle it."

... and he should have gone on to say "by the way... take a look at your communities. Are they better off or worse off than they were four years ago? How are your schools holding up? Are they shortening the school year because they can't afford to keep them open?"

The Kerry campaign (and Democrats in general) should be looking at and issues that work in red states. The current concentration by both parties on swing states to the exclusion of non-swing states is going to do bad things to the national fabric.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
     Thoughts on the election - (JayMehaffey) - (96)
         Personally, I think he's blasphemous - (jake123)
         Thoughts on your thoughts - (bepatient) - (79)
             It's always a tough call - (JayMehaffey) - (48)
                 backing, moore and aclu - (daemon)
                 Wow. - (bepatient) - (10)
                     Re: Wow. - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
                         "so what" about the gay issue. - (bepatient) - (7)
                             Really? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                 3 of them. - (admin)
                                 why a "civil union" and lets ignore religo marital issues - (daemon) - (2)
                                     So when you have your second heart attack... - (jb4) - (1)
                                         sorry a general power of attourney puts you there - (daemon)
                                 Banning Gay Marriage (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
                             The gay civil union issue is important . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                         That's exactly the problem - (drewk)
                 "The distain was entirly in your mind. " - (Arkadiy) - (35)
                     As was the post by mmoffitt to this thread. -NT - (altmann) - (1)
                         I give up. I can't find my post in this thread. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                     How utterly Bolshevik of you. - (mmoffitt) - (32)
                         Even though you may disagree, - (Arkadiy) - (31)
                             Yeah, try me - (ben_tilly) - (14)
                                 Believe it or not - (Arkadiy) - (13)
                                     I find that hard to believe - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                         Welcome to the distorted view that the US has of itself - (jake123)
                                         Two of your items pull you to the right: - (Arkadiy) - (10)
                                             Curious look - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                                                 "In this town, people are what they are percieved to be" -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                                     Perceived by whom? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                         Actually, I think I misquoted - (Arkadiy)
                                             Civil liberties is a right-wing philosophy? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                                 Two facts: - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                                     I've come to find... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                         I think I have to agree - (Silverlock)
                                                         "average programmer" :) -NT - (Arkadiy)
                                                     Well there are multiple "right"s - (ben_tilly)
                             Did someone say howls? - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                 Huh? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                     Read me in *my* posts. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                         Oh, I see MM reference, I just don't get how it's connected - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             MM's sig oooO0Oooo - (bepatient)
                             Pure balderdash - language murder 1st Class - (Ashton) - (2)
                                 The language got corrupted, - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     Miss the whole point about labelling, again? - (Ashton)
                             You "know I call myself a Communist"? - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                 I seem to remeber reading that in your posts... - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                     Confused. :-) - (mmoffitt)
                                     he is an OP communist :-) - (daemon)
                                 Uh, here - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I'd be a communist, but I'm not good enough. Close.... -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         A good communits is a dead communist - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             That sounds like what I heard in church as a tot. - (mmoffitt)
             You haven't been paying attention, have you? - (ben_tilly) - (29)
                 Yes, I have. - (bepatient) - (28)
                     That's an impossible standard to reach - (ben_tilly) - (22)
                         Whatever. - (bepatient) - (21)
                             No, YOU missed the point - (ben_tilly) - (20)
                                 They can try what Tony Blair did. - (Another Scott)
                                 Oh, somehow I don't think so. - (bepatient) - (13)
                                     Yes, let's go back to the gay issue - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                         Priceless. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                             Suggestion - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                                                 How I would've put it - (jake123) - (4)
                                                     And what is a "state's rights issue"? - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                         An issue that is under the purview of the state government - (jake123) - (2)
                                                             A complication for you - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                 Who said it has to make sense? - (jake123)
                                                 I already told you. - (bepatient)
                                             Not anyone. Just (at least) 50% of 'em... -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                                 Re: Not anyone. Just (at least) 50% of 'em... - (bepatient)
                                         Another good example - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                             DING DING DING DING - (bepatient)
                                 Here's a suggestion, Ben - (jb4) - (1)
                                     reminds me of LBJ - (daemon)
                                 No he didn't - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     Tippecanoe and Tyler, too. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         right - the more things change.. - (deSitter)
                     So where do we go from here? - (GBert) - (4)
                         Now, now...be nice... - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                             Been reading Karl's playbook? 65 kB .gif - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 You broke it, you bought it. -NT - (admin)
                         Can you get me into Italy? :) -NT - (deSitter)
         Let's roll baby -NT - (deSitter)
         Re: Thoughts on the election - (JvlivsCaesar) - (1)
             you havnt met Jerold Nadler have you? - (daemon)
         found in the local letter to the editor - (daemon)
         Where do I sign up? - (jb4) - (10)
             Nope. Your guy was just elected in Illinois. - (bepatient) - (9)
                 Clear, concise, well spoken, hyper-intelligent != attack dog - (jb4) - (8)
                     Yes it does. - (bepatient) - (7)
                         ObPedanticSpellingNit - it's "rhetoric". - (jake123) - (6)
                             /me crooks his finger and talks to it: - (admin) - (4)
                                 Don't forget to use that "croaky" voice. -NT - (bepatient) - (3)
                                     Nah, high and whiny - (jake123) - (2)
                                         Think he was going for the "Shining" angle. -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                             yeah, I just had something different in mind. - (jake123)
                             Ack...what was I thinking? - (bepatient)

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