No inidications of attack

Post #17,855 by Silverlock 11/12/01 10:04:30 AM Reply	No inidications of attack Plane reported to "spiral" down. This points to engine failure. Crashed in a residential neighborhood, not a political/economic target. The conclusion you jump to is incorrect at this time. Wait for details before spouting alarmist crap. How to mangle the truth; Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
Post #17,858 by bluke 11/12/01 10:08:08 AM Reply	Didn't jump to any conclusions That is why I wrote Another Attack? did you miss the question mark?
Post #17,863 by Silverlock 11/12/01 10:21:51 AM Reply	goto dictionary .com, look up infer. How to mangle the truth; Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
Post #17,869 by marlowe 11/12/01 10:56:32 AM Reply	Speaking of inference... I infer that you implicitly implicate me as well. I also use question marks in the same manner. Also, never mind what the dictionary approves, what on earth is the point of using "infer" to mean "imply" when you can just as easily, and with greater clarity, use the latter word? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #17,871 by ChrisR 11/12/01 11:05:18 AM Reply	infer vs. imply A speaker implies somthing. A listener infers something. Probably was the point your point that you were implying. At least that's what I inferred from you statement. :-)
Post #17,879 by Silverlock 11/12/01 11:32:02 AM Reply	Nah Gave up on you a long time ago. No sense trying to open a mind with such obvious welds keeping it shut. How to mangle the truth; Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
Post #17,905 by marlowe 11/12/01 1:17:47 PM 11/12/01 1:20:58 PM Reply	That one cuts both ways. What you project onto the Other reflects back on you. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things. Edited by marlowe Nov. 12, 2001, 01:20:58 PM EST Expand All History
Post #17,910 by tablizer 11/12/01 1:55:00 PM Reply	I see nothing wrong with title The question mark is sufficient IMO ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #17,916 by Silverlock 11/12/01 2:35:52 PM Reply	You're entitled to your opinion. How to mangle the truth; Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
Post #18,028 by SpiceWare 11/13/01 9:33:52 AM Reply	He's not the only one who read it as a QUESTION and not a statement. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #18,033 by Silverlock 11/13/01 10:07:50 AM Reply	Perhaps I'm too sensitive. Nope. A question can be just as alarmist as a statement. How to mangle the truth; Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
Post #18,040 by SpiceWare 11/13/01 10:57:30 AM 11/13/01 10:58:50 AM Reply	While a question can be alarmist, it's not the same as "jumping to a conclusion". In this case, it was a request to see if anybody had more information to determine if it was an attack or not. The initial post(later edited) was "I can't get any more details as all the news sites are unavailable.", which supports the "request for info" aspect of the title. No need to get upset with everybody else because you inferred more than what was implied. I'm sure the question "was it another attack?" was on initially on most everybody's mind when the plane first went down. I know it was were I work. It's not all that surprising, given the circumstance. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore Edited by SpiceWare Nov. 13, 2001, 10:58:50 AM EST Expand All History
Post #18,043 by Silverlock 11/13/01 11:08:36 AM Reply	Yeah I'm just so damned pissed at the media lately that when I saw what I thought was another "would you care to comment on the suppositions regarding the possiblities of the chances of more attacks?" type of question I jumped to my own conclusion. Sorry bluke and others. I shouldn't take it out on my friends when strangers get me riled up. (And you can't get much stranger than some of our news "personalities"). How to mangle the truth; Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
Post #18,161 by SpiceWare 11/13/01 9:00:05 PM Reply	Know how it goes I'm fighting a sinus infection and I feel like I'll to scream if just one more person comes up with "oh, you poor thing", "what are you taking", "have you seen a doctor" and so on. Everybody has their limits :-) Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #17,859 by bluke 11/12/01 10:10:29 AM Reply	Meanwhile they declared a level 1 alert in NYC ... and shut down all the airports
Post #17,903 by bluke 11/12/01 1:12:02 PM Reply	Reports of an explosion before the crash In other words, it could have been a bomb, it would not be the first time.
Post #17,911 by tablizer 11/12/01 2:02:40 PM Reply	On the ground or in the air? If the alleged "first" explosion was on the ground, then it could have the plane engine dropping. Reportedly a plane engine detached and smacked into to the ground. When engines croak and catch fire, do they "explode"? However, being in NY, it is a little bit on the suspicious side. There goes the "Airline recovery", regardless. Anybody who was nervious about flying is not gonna step on one of those without dragging and kicking. That probably reduces family flights, since one skittish person will probably result in none going. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #17,924 by Simon_Jester 11/12/01 3:08:49 PM Reply	Engines can explode... turbine fans within the engine turn at a very nice rate of speed. Metal fatigue of the blade can cause it to break free, resulting in what would appear to be an explosion. That can cause the engine to "croak and catch fire". Don't know if that's what happened though.
Post #17,913 by hnick 11/12/01 2:17:05 PM Reply	Re: Reports of an explosion before the crash Could have been a bomb. Also could have been sabotage, stupidity, part failure, a bad reaction to a goose dinner, or any number of things. At the moment, there just isn't enough information to jump to conclusions. Mind you, the odds of flying into or out of the NYC area are getting worse, for whatever reason... Don't think I'd want to do it, but then I've always disliked NYC anyway. -Hugh
Post #17,915 by tablizer 11/12/01 2:34:05 PM Reply	They serve goose on AA? I only get peanuts ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #17,921 by hnick 11/12/01 2:52:33 PM Reply	This figures with your reputation... Peanuts are appropriate... :)
Post #18,047 by bluke 11/13/01 11:13:05 AM Reply	Investigators find signs birds may have caused crash [link\|http://www.msnbc.com/news/656892.asp\|Investigators find signs birds may have caused crash of Flight 587] "Investigators examining one of the separated engines from American Airlines Flight 587 found foreign debris inside, indicating that the engine may have ingested a flock of birds and then caught on fire."
Post #18,056 by inthane-chan 11/13/01 11:44:20 AM Reply	I had this really weird image... Pres. Shrub announces a press conference, and comes on TV... "Our nation has suffered another great tragedy in New York. Elements of another group opposed to our way of life took advantage of our focus on the war on Terrorism to attack us yesterday. Today I declare a war on the second greatest threat to the American way - birds! We will not rest until every single bird has been hunted down and eliminated as a threat..." "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #18,137 by Ashton 11/13/01 5:46:52 PM Reply	Er.. that's \ufffd Alfred Hitchcock and we don't want to go there - they outnumber us and.. They won. (Actually a short drive from here - nice restaurant, once: The Tides) (Fortunately.. something outnumbers us) til we nuke 'em all.. Then: We win :-)
Post #18,045 by mmoffitt 11/13/01 11:10:56 AM Reply	Ari Fleischer would be proud. After all, "we're under attack!" is the battle cry for stripping the remnants of our remaining Constitutional rights from us. It's useful to keep crying "Wolf!", how else are we going to rationalize the suspension of The Constitution?
Post #18,124 by Decco Dave 11/13/01 4:41:37 PM Reply	Here's How By declaring "it's for the children" or "it will protect you from the evil corporations". Worked most of the time for the Clintonistas for 8 years. And they didn't even have the threat of terrorism to make it real.
Post #18,140 by Ashton 11/13/01 6:09:12 PM Reply	Nah - reverse doggerel == doggerel One o' those mysteries like 'conserving' the Constitution by ignoring it. Or tossing Red Herrings into any issue to deflect it into agit-prop. Kinda like M$, y'know? Studied them a lot?

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