Uh huh.

Post #175,029

9/19/04 8:39:04 AM

9/19/04 8:40:55 AM

Uh huh.

Believe too, that Believers are enjoined from parading their Cosmic hints; it's deemed counter to their own teachings, I hear

Interesting generalization. Common ground for all religion? For the religious? No. I do believe you made it up to fit your own dogma.

I don't accept responsibility for the discomfort produced if a one IDs self, confusing clan-loyalty with metaphysical pursuits - and waxes smug about Believing the One Truth.

Yet you wax 'smug' against those who believe in the God of Abraham. You do it consistently, and I cannot remember you producing a 'disclaimer' that admits that those following that path can ever be 'spiritual'. Indeed, for the rest of your post, you imply that this path is a 'corp-religion' and has no connection with spirituality.

Not Guilty

I'm afraid not, Ash. You have simply tried to rationalize why your mockery is proper. You are completely guilty of this one. Admit it and move on.

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Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Edited by imric Sept. 19, 2004, 08:40:55 AM EDT

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Post #175,065

by Nightowl

9/19/04 2:03:12 PM

A little more explanation please?

Believe too, that Believers are enjoined from parading their Cosmic hints; it's deemed counter to their own teachings, I hear

Interesting generalization. Common ground for all religion? For the religious? No. I do believe you made it up to fit your own dogma.

Imric, you seem to understand what Ashton was saying, could you clarify it better for me? Is what he's saying is that Believers (i.e. Christians, etc), don't practice their religion, or that they don't force it on people, or what? Not sure what he's saying, and not sure the dictionary would be of much help this time around.

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Post #175,067

by imric

9/19/04 2:21:33 PM

With Ash, it can be sometimes hard,

but what I took him to mean is that he thinks that religion discourages public talk about personal spiritual experiences. Kinda has to be, since Martin Luther broke the hold the church had over the scriptures - I confess to ignorance as to method the Koran and the Torah is 'revealed' to believers.

I don't speak for him, of course, and if my interpretation is wrong, Ash, my apologies. I dislike intepreting posts for others; it's too much like putting words in thier mouths...

Imric's Tips for Living

Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #175,069

by Nightowl

9/19/04 2:35:12 PM

Trust me, I know that

My paperback dictionary is almost worn out from grabbing it to look up words in his posts, hehehe. I started using the online one, it's less damaging. ;)

Thanks for that explanation... I think I thought something entirely different. I thought he meant that religious people weren't prone to tell others about their faith, that it would be seen as "preaching" to them.

Actually, we can and do tell others about our faith, but the difference is we don't push them to accept it or keep pushing it on them when they don't want us to. And we don't "judge" them, as in treat them bad or differently because they don't accept it. Like it says in the Bible, if they don't listen, shake the dust off your feet and go on, or something like that. I don't know the scripture, I'm not that good at remembering those. (I think it's because they are all numbers hehehe)

Maybe Ashton will enlighten us as to what he really meant, or if either one of u is right.

Nightowl >8#

Post #175,111

by Ashton

9/20/04 4:20:23 AM

Heh.. I 'splain how ya can end war n'stuff (new thread)

Created as new thread #175110 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=175110|Heh.. I 'splain how ya can end war n'stuff]

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