I wasn't aware there was a zone there.

Post #16,791 by Brandioch 11/6/01 12:11:14 AM Reply	I wasn't aware there was a zone there. So, you can do enough to be banned from entering a secure area WITHOUT Doing anything illegal. This is a fascinating concept. Of course, I don't believe a word of it. But it's a fascinating concept non the less. I'm very interested in what actions you consider to be this zone. This should make for a fascinating read. And fucking DUH! I said that she would be detained (in a special room set aside for such a purpose) until she could talke to the cops and/or FBI. Didn't you see that part? "And again...airport security is NOT the police. They don't arrest you...they don't detain you." So, you say they "don't detain you". quote. "If they feel strongly enough that you are a "bad" person...they can keep you at the check point long enough to hand you over to a >real< policeman." So, they "can keep you at the check point". But this isn't the same as when you "detain" someone. www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=detain de\ufffdtain: 1.To keep from proceeding; delay or retard. 2.To keep in custody or temporary confinement. I'm sure you know what you're talking about. Really. I'm sure you do.
Post #16,793 by bepatient 11/6/01 12:18:11 AM Reply	do you practice being an idiot? [link\|http://www.flybangor.com/news/index.asp?ID=60\| It appears that the airport folks disagree with how the situation occured] Here is the text of the story compiled by a local reporter regarding the passenger denied boarding for refusing to be screened for a flight. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #16,795 by Brandioch 11/6/01 12:26:22 AM Reply	Allow me to quote from that article. Seeing as how you seem to have trouble reading it. "Oden said that while she asked security staff not to touch her with the wand, she did allow them to complete their search of both her person and her baggage." She submitted to a complete search of her person and baggage. This might sound familiar to you as I know I've posted it before. On multiple occasions. Yet you still seem to be unable to grasp the concept. She Submitted To A COMPLETE Search Of Her PERSON And BAGGAGE. That means that she did NOT refuse to be checked by security. Now, perhaps you can answer my earlier question about what activities will get me banned from the security zone BUT will NOT get me arrested or investigated? "detained"?
Post #16,797 by bepatient 11/6/01 12:31:22 AM Reply	I read that part... ...which is what SHE told a reporter...while what I quoted is what the airport authority put on their website when linking to the article. But of course this woman couldn't be doing ANYTHING but telling the truth. If she was...maybe...pissed off at somebody and trying to make a big stink because maybe she's running for Governor and could use the press...well...that just wouldn't be right. Pick a better horse, bud. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #16,800 by Brandioch 11/6/01 12:41:27 AM Reply	Again, you fail to fulfill the request. What activities are sufficient to get me banned from the secure area but will not result in the cops and/or FBI being interested in me? I did not see anything in either article that said she did not submit to the search. That she complained about it, yes. That she didn't want to be TOUCHED with the wand, yes. That she wasn't holding still, yes. Never that she refused to be searched. Instead, you claim that the activities of the airline personel are evidence that she didn't submit to the search. Which led me to challenge you to go to your nearest airport, try to pass security and then REFUSE to be searched, then leave. A challenge you would not accept because, even though you claim nothing would happen, you KNOOW what the results would be (cops and/or FBI). Since this did not happen to her, I'm going to take it as evidence in support of her claim to have been searched. No, that does not mean I believe everything she says. It means that the available evidence supports her claims. But why am I explaining this to someone who doesn't know what "detain" means?
Post #16,803 by bepatient 11/6/01 12:50:03 AM Reply	yawn... ...read the other post... You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #16,799 by drewk 11/6/01 12:36:02 AM Reply	Since we're being pedantic Let's try emphasizing a different part of the quote: Oden said Isn't there some famous qhote about first being sure of the facts? I think all we have right now is two (moderately) conflicting versions of the story. We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #16,801 by Brandioch 11/6/01 12:43:04 AM Reply	Sure. But that will require access to the security tapes.

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