Post #152,180
4/21/04 11:51:34 PM
4/21/04 11:53:33 PM
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Oh Jeez, now what?
Anyone heard of this problem?
I got the client's new Exchange Server 2003 on Windooze 2003 fixed up so it isn't an open relay any more and got them off most of the blacklists - all but one important one.
The DSBL list is extremely rigid about how they do things, highly unsympathetic towards anyone stupid enough to have run an open relay, and far more unsympathetic towards anyone stupid enough to have an RFC non-compliant server like Exchange. Fortunately they had some pointers to Windows sites that have instructions on how to make the server sufficiently compliant for their removal system to work, so I printed out the instructions and headed for the client's site.
Surprise, no postmaster and no abuse email boxes. Fine, I'll just make posmaster and abuse users to get the boxes and redirect them.
Well, Active Directory does it's stuff, then calls up the Exchange tool, and the Exchange tool goes through all the motions and says it's done and there were 0 Errors. Looks good, right?
But the email boxes never appear in the server store. All that's there are the boxes the consultant migrated from Exchange 5.5. No new ones. The new AD accounts have the Exchange tabs just like they're supposed to, and you can call up the Exchange tool and delete the boxes (again stating 0 Errors) and the tabs go away. You can remake them and the tabs reappear, but Exchange Administrator says nothing new in the store.
Attempting to access the boxes from a workstation confirms they're really not there. My attempt to find this problem on Microsoft's knowledge base came up dry.
I checked the settings of the connector, and they look good. After all, there's only one server and one store and It seems to have that right.
But no email boxes.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #152,504
4/24/04 7:31:10 PM
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Re: Oh Jeez, now what?
You've created abuse and postmaster as users in the AD, right?
qts
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Post #152,526
4/25/04 2:12:20 AM
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Yes, but no mailboxes get made.
All the stuff goes through the motions, 0 Errors, the Exchange tabs appear in the AD user properties, but no mailboxes are created.
I told the client we may have to uninstall and reinstall Exchange (always a fun thing to do).
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #152,510
4/24/04 9:08:08 PM
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Why make new users? Why not just aliases?
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Post #152,528
4/25/04 2:17:19 AM
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Well, because . . .
. . they're going to have to add new users next week. Setting up aliases might (if aliases get made as they should) solve this immediate problem, but that still leaves us with a crippled Exchange Server, which becomes an immediate problem next week.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #152,539
4/25/04 11:21:08 AM
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Umm. Why not use something that works then?
Like Groupwise or Ximian's Data server.
Neither one requires eDIR anymore.
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Post #152,544
4/25/04 11:40:31 AM
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The problem with Exchange...
...is that the users love it. Outlook sucks for email but it's not bad at managing contacts and diaries.
Public folders, shared calendaring, shared contact lists - it's all fab at the client end.
As I know and you know and Andrew is discovering, at the other end it's a complete bear. Has to run on Windows, 200x versions require AD, yadda yadda.
But there's nothing to touch it for a groupware solution. Not Groupwise, not Notes, not OGO. And that's A Problem.
Peter
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Post #152,551
4/25/04 2:17:55 PM
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You ever use Groupwise with the...
Document library options, with web-publishing and so on...
Exchange doesn't even compare. If you had ever used GroupWise fully at versions later than 5.2 you would know this.
Groupwise is by far a better integrated system and far more expandable and scalable that cannot be compared to by Exchange.
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Post #152,554
4/25/04 2:40:58 PM
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agreed
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Post #152,555
4/25/04 2:58:12 PM
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OK.
Not having used GroupWise serverside since 5.0, I can't speak to the current functionality.
I do know that the client STILL sucks all holy arse, though. Had to use it for a week (one of our offices is a NetWare/GroupWise shop) and it was painful. I've never been glad to go back to Outlook before or since. The only thing I've ever met that sucks more is the Notes client.
GroupWise always was nicer at the server end. But with a client like that...
Anyway, none of this helps Andrew. His client has Exchange 2003, and is almost certainly unwilling to junk that investment (it ain't cheap).
Peter
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Post #152,559
4/25/04 4:09:06 PM
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You can use Lookout as a Groupwise client now.
So you can get the best of both worlds that way.
Nearly all functionality too. Indexed Text searching in the Doc-Lib doesn;t work right now and a few other nits like that.
Diary and Calendaring, resource scheduling etc... all works.
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Post #152,571
4/25/04 7:49:57 PM
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Isn't there a server-side 'connector'
That allows Exchange to use a standard imap server for Outlook clients? IIRC (and I might be wrong) I stumbled over a project that does this when I was looking at the Ximian connector for evolution...
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Post #152,573
4/25/04 8:29:09 PM
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OT: Peter, you need to post more. I don't like being #15.
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Post #152,585
4/25/04 9:30:24 PM
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Re: Umm. Why not use something that works then?
Some years ago a purchasing agent (who later disappeared without notice) decided the company should be "all Microsoft" and got a buy-in from the president.
Today, they are not so sold on Microsoft, but they just paid a whole lot of money for Exchange 2003 and Windows 2003 server and the AD conversion (no, they didn't pay it to me - they were trying out a new consultant), so they are psychologically committed to using it.
Given the circumstances, my best course is to keep my mouth shut and take their money. There won't be a real opportunity for change here for a few years now.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #152,588
4/25/04 11:23:50 PM
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'Tis very understandable.
I see many companies going this route and be very dis-[ satisfied | gruntled | illusioned | gusted | enchanted ] and are really not looking to pursue further spending on M$ Products.
I am working on converting the Place I work to Linux only. And of course Open Source (some do cost money you know) Programs for all things needed.
Granted there are some places it won't work. But an RDesktop solution might actually work. Therefore minimizng cost of the M$ Tax.
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Post #152,600
4/26/04 1:04:58 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #152599 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=152599|ICLRPD]
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