The point in this case is valid

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Post #150,581

by JayMehaffey

4/8/04 9:40:13 PM

The point in this case is valid

The first point raised in the first article is just pointing out that Rice's claim that the Bush White House continued Clinton's anti-terrorism activities is false. At least some of Clinton's anti-terrorism programs where curtailed or stopped.

And while I agree that the predator drone thing has been blown out of proportion, the way it is raised in this article is correct. Rice claimed that the administration moved quickly on this issue, when in fact it was delayed by wrangling over who was responsible.

Jay

Post #150,586

by bepatient

4/8/04 9:52:33 PM

No they didn't.

That's the point. They weren't flying (since before he took office) and they were being retrofitted to shoot Hellfire Missiles. Yes, there was a successful test of that system completed in May 2001. At that point, all others were to be retrofitted. Are you of like mind to one of our illustrious former members to think that the military could build out, design and test a system in 6 months and then magically deplay it to the field in less than 3???

Come on now. Reality is over here somewhere.

If you want to look at what Rice and the Administration have stated, it fits perfectly into the strategy that they say they had of no longer "swatting flys" but instead outfitting the intelligence community with tools that could actually shoot.

Spin.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition}

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

testimony of Dr. Strangerice - (rcareaga) - (176) - April 8, 2004, 05:17:47 PM EDT

NPR stream at work. - (mmoffitt) - (31) - April 8, 2004, 04:11:25 PM EDT

My take since fall 2001 - (GBert) - (30) - April 9, 2004, 10:02:11 AM EDT

Heh. I'm not that jaded, but interestingly, ... - (mmoffitt) - (29) - April 12, 2004, 05:49:25 PM EDT

But you might become that jaded - (jb4) - (27) - April 12, 2004, 05:44:29 PM EDT

If that's true. - (mmoffitt) - (26) - April 12, 2004, 05:53:58 PM EDT

Dude...they weren't ELECTED, remember? - (jb4) - (25) - April 12, 2004, 06:07:54 PM EDT

name one scenario that gore wins - (boxley) - (24) - April 12, 2004, 06:23:29 PM EDT

'Cept Clinton *WAS* impeached IIRC... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - April 12, 2004, 06:40:28 PM EDT

true -NT - (boxley) - April 12, 2004, 06:41:35 PM EDT

Right, box. How'd I forget? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 13, 2004, 08:24:40 AM EDT

3k, would have pushed gore over, -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2004, 08:40:44 AM EDT

Umm, count the votes? - (Silverlock) - (13) - April 13, 2004, 08:32:54 AM EDT

um, they did repeatedly in all counties - (boxley) - (12) - April 13, 2004, 08:39:47 AM EDT

You said name one. - (Silverlock) - (4) - April 13, 2004, 08:53:55 AM EDT

each method you describe doesnt get gore into the whitehouse - (boxley) - (3) - April 13, 2004, 09:42:01 AM EDT

Saying black is white doesn't make it so. -NT - (Silverlock) - (2) - April 13, 2004, 12:35:59 PM EDT

so why do you keep saying it? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - April 13, 2004, 12:43:06 PM EDT

I know you are but what am I? :) -NT - (Silverlock) - April 13, 2004, 01:33:03 PM EDT

Re: um, they did repeatedly in all counties - (inthane-chan) - (6) - April 13, 2004, 08:55:15 AM EDT

what roadblocks where in the constitution does it say revote - (boxley) - (5) - April 13, 2004, 09:38:20 AM EDT

The Constitution doesn't say ... - (mmoffitt) - (4) - April 13, 2004, 09:42:15 AM EDT

the constitution explicitly states how the president is - (boxley) - (3) - April 13, 2004, 09:44:40 AM EDT

So your answer is yes. ;-p -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - April 13, 2004, 09:46:19 AM EDT

you can abandon the constitution, I wont -NT - (boxley) - (1) - April 13, 2004, 09:50:36 AM EDT

Seems you *have*, already. -NT - (CRConrad) - April 13, 2004, 04:29:04 PM EDT

What if, what if, what if... - (jb4) - (5) - April 13, 2004, 01:42:45 PM EDT

nope electoral college voted him in, just like in the manual - (boxley) - (4) - April 13, 2004, 02:00:29 PM EDT

constitution sez, election by *properly elected* electoral. -NT - (CRConrad) - (3) - April 13, 2004, 04:30:19 PM EDT

you want to explain? - (boxley) - (2) - April 13, 2004, 06:29:25 PM EDT

Florida electoral college was -S-elected by US Supreme Court - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 14, 2004, 04:37:10 AM EDT

Florida electoral was not selected by the supremes - (boxley) - April 14, 2004, 08:22:23 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - April 12, 2004, 05:46:11 PM EDT

Re: testimony of Dr. Strangerice - (JayMehaffey) - (5) - April 8, 2004, 04:39:18 PM EDT

Not this crap again. - (bepatient) - (4) - April 8, 2004, 05:27:12 PM EDT

Nahnahnah. I ... cant .. hear ... you - (altmann) - (1) - April 8, 2004, 07:09:26 PM EDT

Same BS. - (bepatient) - April 8, 2004, 08:17:03 PM EDT

The point in this case is valid - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - April 8, 2004, 09:40:13 PM EDT

No they didn't. - (bepatient) - April 8, 2004, 09:52:33 PM EDT

Rice's testimony: executive summary - (rcareaga) - (5) - April 8, 2004, 10:35:59 PM EDT

Tom Shales' take. - (Another Scott) - (4) - April 9, 2004, 01:24:10 AM EDT

Interesting tidbit. - (inthane-chan) - (3) - April 9, 2004, 04:08:31 PM EDT

ADMIN: please fix the above post! - (jb4) - (2) - April 9, 2004, 04:06:45 PM EDT

Sorry! Fixed! -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1) - April 9, 2004, 04:08:55 PM EDT

Thanks! -NT - (jb4) - April 9, 2004, 04:16:45 PM EDT

I hope this is wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (131) - April 9, 2004, 09:47:37 AM EDT

Oh dear. - (bepatient) - (130) - April 9, 2004, 07:38:31 PM EDT

I hate to say it - (jake123) - (1) - April 10, 2004, 01:11:27 AM EDT

Nit: "win again". They have never won. They were appointed. -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 10, 2004, 01:14:49 PM EDT

I thought most had paid attention. - (mmoffitt) - April 10, 2004, 01:12:48 PM EDT

Yeah, someone did indeed say something different than her! - (jb4) - (126) - April 12, 2004, 01:11:47 PM EDT

I would guess... - (bepatient) - (41) - April 12, 2004, 02:03:42 PM EDT

It's not the Commission's Responsibility, it's ours. -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 12, 2004, 04:52:51 PM EDT

It wasn't historical at the time... -NT - (admin) - (3) - April 12, 2004, 05:10:01 PM EDT

It was over 3 yrs old at the time. - (bepatient) - (2) - April 12, 2004, 05:36:30 PM EDT

Re: It was over 3 yrs old at the time. - (admin) - (1) - April 12, 2004, 05:47:50 PM EDT

The document itself is in my post. HTH. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 12, 2004, 05:50:20 PM EDT

None so blind as they that won't see. - (mmoffitt) - (35) - April 12, 2004, 05:46:53 PM EDT

And so... - (bepatient) - (34) - April 12, 2004, 08:48:37 PM EDT

Nice duck. - (mmoffitt) - (33) - April 13, 2004, 08:20:25 AM EDT

Go ahead. - (bepatient) - (32) - April 13, 2004, 10:02:14 AM EDT

Can any of you clowns remember what you're arguing ABOUT? -NT - (pwhysall) - (30) - April 13, 2004, 10:36:20 AM EDT

what does that have to do with anything :-) -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2004, 10:50:07 AM EDT

Oh, oh I am sorry,... - (bepatient) - April 13, 2004, 10:51:54 AM EDT

Here it is: It was over 3 yrs old at the time. - (mmoffitt) - (27) - April 13, 2004, 01:51:45 PM EDT

Re: Here it is: It was over 3 yrs old at the time. - (bepatient) - (26) - April 13, 2004, 02:15:58 PM EDT

You're just jaggin' me again, aren't you? - (mmoffitt) - (25) - April 13, 2004, 02:50:14 PM EDT

yeah and the feebs are still looking for hoffa :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2) - April 13, 2004, 02:56:06 PM EDT

<herring color=bright red>preceding post</herring> -NT - (jb4) - (1) - April 13, 2004, 05:01:36 PM EDT

name one case that wasnt broken by a rat - (boxley) - April 13, 2004, 10:26:00 PM EDT

You seem to be serious. - (bepatient) - (21) - April 13, 2004, 05:39:00 PM EDT

Even if I accept that, you must accept that ... - (mmoffitt) - (20) - April 13, 2004, 06:00:19 PM EDT

Certainly. - (bepatient) - (19) - April 13, 2004, 09:54:35 PM EDT

What was the title of the briefing? - (Silverlock) - (1) - April 13, 2004, 10:33:53 PM EDT

Discourse on whose terms. - (bepatient) - April 14, 2004, 07:19:15 AM EDT

If all the briefings were release, or even the full text ... - (mmoffitt) - (16) - April 14, 2004, 08:22:44 AM EDT

Nope, sorry, try again. - (bepatient) - (15) - April 14, 2004, 10:02:58 AM EDT

Just two cents... - (GBert) - April 14, 2004, 11:41:51 AM EDT

Well, at least you dropped the "3 year old" bit. <sigh> -NT - (mmoffitt) - (13) - April 14, 2004, 12:36:57 PM EDT

Point fingers all you like. - (bepatient) - (12) - April 14, 2004, 05:02:49 PM EDT

Where'd I say that? - (mmoffitt) - (11) - April 14, 2004, 05:12:14 PM EDT

No I didn't admit that. - (bepatient) - (10) - April 14, 2004, 08:38:22 PM EDT

Can we cut to the chase? - (pwhysall) - (9) - April 15, 2004, 01:48:15 AM EDT

Shall I quote more Python? -NT - (bepatient) - (8) - April 15, 2004, 02:51:02 AM EDT

Please do - (pwhysall) - (7) - April 15, 2004, 07:05:54 AM EDT

Right. What was I thinking? - (mmoffitt) - (6) - April 15, 2004, 09:55:04 AM EDT

Never mind. - (bepatient) - (5) - April 15, 2004, 01:29:05 PM EDT

And 2 == 1, for very large values of 1________:-\ufffd -NT - (jb4) - (1) - April 15, 2004, 02:00:34 PM EDT

:-D -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 15, 2004, 02:01:53 PM EDT

It finally makes sense. - (Silverlock) - (2) - April 15, 2004, 02:39:19 PM EDT

check out tom tommorow for the definitions - (boxley) - April 15, 2004, 02:41:47 PM EDT

That's an ancient remark. - (mmoffitt) - April 15, 2004, 04:48:53 PM EDT

You READ IT. - (mmoffitt) - April 13, 2004, 01:56:21 PM EDT

Here's a breakdown of her lies - (Silverlock) - (83) - April 12, 2004, 04:53:03 PM EDT

I've read through those. - (bepatient) - (81) - April 12, 2004, 05:35:34 PM EDT

Seems to me... - (admin) - April 12, 2004, 05:51:26 PM EDT

You SURE you read this somewhere? - (jb4) - (79) - April 12, 2004, 05:57:05 PM EDT

I did not have sex with that woman, miss lewinski - (boxley) - (78) - April 12, 2004, 06:07:38 PM EDT

Ermmmm.....Say What?!? - (jb4) - (77) - April 12, 2004, 06:13:00 PM EDT

Beeps point was quite clear, and you have watched it swish - (boxley) - (73) - April 12, 2004, 06:20:03 PM EDT

whew. - (bepatient) - (5) - April 12, 2004, 08:34:29 PM EDT

But your spelling is notoriously faulty - (jb4) - (4) - April 13, 2004, 02:03:11 PM EDT

Yup, got that; it's obvious. (WTF YM, "even" I can get it?) -NT - (CRConrad) - (3) - April 16, 2004, 09:35:36 AM EDT

Its a metaphor....or is that a simile...or a euphemism... - (jb4) - (2) - April 16, 2004, 09:58:23 AM EDT

I'm the fookin' native speaker. - (pwhysall) - (1) - April 16, 2004, 04:59:08 PM EDT

Sorry, mr Inferior Whisky-Like Beverage 4, but Peter's right -NT - (CRConrad) - April 19, 2004, 02:15:28 AM EDT

Nit - (Silverlock) - (66) - April 13, 2004, 08:50:08 AM EDT

Yes it is. - (bepatient) - (65) - April 13, 2004, 10:04:34 AM EDT

I've held these positions long before this doc came out - (Silverlock) - (64) - April 13, 2004, 12:39:27 PM EDT

None so blind as they can't see. - (bepatient) - (63) - April 13, 2004, 02:27:58 PM EDT

Guiduin invoked thread closed :-) -NT - (boxley) - (3) - April 13, 2004, 02:29:45 PM EDT

Who invoked Guido-an? -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - April 13, 2004, 02:31:46 PM EDT

And where's Nunzio? -NT - (inthane-chan) - April 13, 2004, 02:40:31 PM EDT

Gallic Godwin :-) -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2004, 02:54:59 PM EDT

Small problem - (Silverlock) - (56) - April 13, 2004, 03:18:36 PM EDT

Don't joust with the Master - (jb4) - (55) - April 13, 2004, 05:06:08 PM EDT

They are his words. - (bepatient) - (54) - April 13, 2004, 05:44:24 PM EDT

The grasshopper objects. - (Silverlock) - (53) - April 13, 2004, 10:15:23 PM EDT

I don't believe - (bepatient) - (52) - April 13, 2004, 10:32:12 PM EDT

Have you all gone completely INSANE ??? - (CRConrad) - (51) - April 16, 2004, 09:34:55 AM EDT

Bravo - (jbrabeck) - April 16, 2004, 09:42:31 AM EDT

Ok. Call it what you want. - (bepatient) - (7) - April 16, 2004, 10:14:40 AM EDT

We are (used to be?) a nation of laws, beep. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - April 16, 2004, 10:36:04 AM EDT

I don't think you get it either. - (bepatient) - (3) - April 16, 2004, 10:39:20 AM EDT

Whose threatening? - (mmoffitt) - April 16, 2004, 10:41:35 AM EDT

I dunno, BeeP - (jb4) - April 16, 2004, 02:02:57 PM EDT

Depends on what you regard prison AS. - (pwhysall) - April 16, 2004, 04:51:36 PM EDT

Declare war then. - (pwhysall) - (1) - April 16, 2004, 04:50:37 PM EDT

war IS a business, when has it not been? - (boxley) - April 16, 2004, 06:53:07 PM EDT

Not all of us, but an alarmingly high percentage. - (mmoffitt) - April 16, 2004, 10:37:26 AM EDT

got yer declaration right here - (boxley) - (26) - April 16, 2004, 10:43:27 AM EDT

I declare War on Microsoft. - (mmoffitt) - (17) - April 16, 2004, 10:49:30 AM EDT

Its one thing to declare it. - (bepatient) - (16) - April 16, 2004, 10:53:28 AM EDT

Then I'd be a murderer, not a nation-state capable of - (mmoffitt) - (15) - April 16, 2004, 10:58:20 AM EDT

Ah. And what would the leader - (bepatient) - (14) - April 16, 2004, 11:13:14 AM EDT

Be very careful with that argument. - (mmoffitt) - (13) - April 16, 2004, 02:46:27 PM EDT

And what would these things do... - (bepatient) - (12) - April 16, 2004, 08:30:19 PM EDT

*Boggle* - (mmoffitt) - (11) - April 18, 2004, 12:43:48 PM EDT

We've been through this before. - (Another Scott) - (10) - April 18, 2004, 02:39:45 PM EDT

Why I cautioned Beep. - (mmoffitt) - (9) - April 18, 2004, 02:56:59 PM EDT

It wasn't funding I was discussing. - (bepatient) - (8) - April 18, 2004, 03:00:26 PM EDT

I (mis?)read this one. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - April 18, 2004, 03:03:28 PM EDT

I would generally say no. - (bepatient) - (6) - April 18, 2004, 03:05:49 PM EDT

Okay, I'll play. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - April 18, 2004, 03:09:13 PM EDT

We didn't. - (bepatient) - (4) - April 18, 2004, 03:17:20 PM EDT

? - (mmoffitt) - (3) - April 18, 2004, 03:34:08 PM EDT

So fine. - (bepatient) - (2) - April 18, 2004, 03:40:03 PM EDT

Vote for smarter people ;0) - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 18, 2004, 03:58:18 PM EDT

I wish there were some to vote for. - (bepatient) - April 18, 2004, 10:55:33 PM EDT

So declare war, or else STFU. - (pwhysall) - (7) - April 16, 2004, 04:53:28 PM EDT

google bush declares war on Al Quida - (boxley) - (6) - April 16, 2004, 10:43:22 PM EDT

Neato. - (pwhysall) - (5) - April 19, 2004, 01:24:03 AM EDT

cant help if you are uneducated - (boxley) - (1) - April 19, 2004, 08:08:29 AM EDT

Whatever. -NT - (pwhysall) - April 19, 2004, 10:43:18 AM EDT

War on Terrorism as successful as the War on Drugs. - (Silverlock) - (2) - April 19, 2004, 09:30:38 AM EDT

Someone please fork this damn thing -NT - (drewk) - (1) - April 19, 2004, 09:44:02 AM EDT

Forked Dr. Strangelove. (new thread) - (jbrabeck) - April 19, 2004, 10:28:14 AM EDT

It's an old problem. - (Another Scott) - (13) - April 16, 2004, 10:43:31 AM EDT

And that attitude. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - April 16, 2004, 10:51:31 AM EDT

If you want it to be a "law enforcement issue" - (bepatient) - (4) - April 16, 2004, 10:57:17 AM EDT

You want it to be a "war"? - (mmoffitt) - (3) - April 16, 2004, 11:01:14 AM EDT

I want it solved. - (bepatient) - (2) - April 16, 2004, 11:12:01 AM EDT

Simple solution - (jbrabeck) - (1) - April 16, 2004, 11:48:30 AM EDT

When, indeed! - (jb4) - April 16, 2004, 02:06:32 PM EDT

That's not a declaration of war. - (pwhysall) - (6) - April 16, 2004, 04:57:41 PM EDT

But Peter, - (jbrabeck) - (4) - April 16, 2004, 05:09:12 PM EDT

Can someone please fork a new thread (or several)? -NT - (drewk) - (3) - April 16, 2004, 05:18:40 PM EDT

It'll probably die soon. - (Another Scott) - April 16, 2004, 05:24:10 PM EDT

Yeah darnit...FORK this thread! -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - April 16, 2004, 08:31:59 PM EDT

Knifing it is too much work -NT - (Arkadiy) - April 17, 2004, 12:48:40 PM EDT

Not in the traditional sense. - (Another Scott) - April 16, 2004, 05:22:25 PM EDT

4/13/2004 Tom Toles (78 kB .gif) (new thread) - (Another Scott) - April 13, 2004, 05:25:07 PM EDT

Yes, there are - those that *won't*, even though they *can*. - (CRConrad) - April 16, 2004, 09:35:30 AM EDT

Necroeqquiphilia can do that to a person. -NT - (altmann) - (2) - April 12, 2004, 06:26:48 PM EDT

Necroeqquiphilia; I'll have to remember that one ;-) -NT - (bbronson) - April 13, 2004, 12:20:46 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4) - April 13, 2004, 02:06:00 PM EDT

and they STILL don't get it! - (jb4) - April 12, 2004, 05:51:59 PM EDT

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