I think you've flipped.

Post #145,005 by Nightowl 3/9/04 11:56:08 AM Reply	I think you've flipped. Nothing you say makes much sense these days, and all of it is biased. (shakes her head). Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #145,006 by pwhysall 3/9/04 12:02:01 PM Reply	C'est l'eau de Saint Louis Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #145,090 by Ashton 3/9/04 6:44:12 PM Reply	Demur One can read through the anger; nothing wrong with his syntax -- and if you don't see "The Jews Killed My Guy" in this wallow in applied How-to crucifixion tips for the kiddies; you don't recall hundreds of comparable fillips from say, the last 50 years? Why, WTF have You been reading: comics? (And if you don't see the admiration for the SS, "the discipline", the Law n'Order (so beloved by Reactionaries of all stripes) -- as might lead to a renaissance of Nazi worship in Murica 2K -- then once again we appear to live and observe, in quite different 'countries'.) Anti-Semitism in Murica has been a feature/bug since I first had to ask an adult, "what's a 'hebe/kike/___'??" Usually it was about envy, and envy is the Basis for the Religion of Capitalism - yup, translate: "Those hebes are good at making money", to Merchant of Venice - the seed corn for all later slanders. My pound-of-flesh du jour PS - at 20+% APR - how would one compare your friendly CC Corporation with.. other usurers (like Shylock?)
Post #145,106 by a6l6e6x 3/9/04 7:28:57 PM Reply	Did that help, Owl? Alex Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom ... the argument of tyrants ... the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, addressing the British House of Commons (1783)
Post #145,320 by Nightowl 3/10/04 1:53:28 PM 3/10/04 1:54:16 PM Reply	Re: Did that help, Owl? Not sure... I wasn't referring to anything about the Passion, I don't read much about it, I can't stomach it. I was referring to Ross, and only Ross and the way he has been posting lately. So I have no clue what Ashton is blathering on about, as usual, so in that respect, nope, it didn't help. Nightowl >8# P.S. And I have no idea what C'est l'eau de Saint Louis means either. Edit: added P.S. "Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson Edited by Nightowl March 10, 2004, 01:54:16 PM EST Expand All History
Post #145,329 by hnick 3/10/04 2:11:57 PM Reply	The french means, more or less It's the SL water which refers to a comment made by someone else, CRC maybe.
Post #145,321 by Nightowl 3/10/04 1:57:50 PM Reply	Sorry Ashton, But I've NEVER seen admiration for the Nazis or SS and their discipline, from ANYONE other than other Nazis or SS members and germans in that era. I realize in hindsight that Ross was probably being sarcastic, but man, his post comes across like he believes Hitler should be venerated, i.e. 1 : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference 2 : to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion, and that was what I first got from it. Nightowl >8# "Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Post #145,330 by deSitter 3/10/04 2:16:34 PM Reply	Re: Sorry Ashton, Ever watch the History Channel? There is a subtle respect for the German military, a group of people who have created more misery than any other body in world history by an enormous margin. Sometimes I feel it, and I know better. "I actually feel sorry for those poor Hun bastards. We're going to murder those sons of bitches by the bushel! We're going to rip out their living guts, and use them to grease our tank treads! We're going to go through them like shit through a goose!" - GS Patton -drl
Post #145,331 by Nightowl 3/10/04 2:24:10 PM Reply	You forget, Ross I don't have Cable, I can't watch the History Channel. Nightowl >8# "Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Post #145,333 by deSitter 3/10/04 2:28:44 PM Reply	Fair enough [link\|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Nazi+memorabilia&btnG=Google+Search\|Nazi Memorabilia] [link\|http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=lang_en%7Clang_fr%7Clang_de%7Clang_it&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=shoah+memorabilia&btnG=Google+Search&lr=lang_en%7Clang_fr%7Clang_de%7Clang_it\|Shoah Memorabilia] You tell me which is more popular. -drl
Post #145,340 by Nightowl 3/10/04 2:40:22 PM 3/10/04 2:41:38 PM Reply	Okay Based on that search, Nazi memorabilia is more popular with 38, 200 hits. But I never heard of a Shoah which gives 1,570 hits. However a search on Holocaust Memorabilia turns up 22,600.hits. and one on Jewish Memorabilia turns up 60,300 hits. It depends on what words you use, really. I myself have German and Nazi war memorabilia, but I also have American, French, British, and Italian. I was unable to procure any Russian at the time. I don't know if I have any Holocaust stuff, but I wasn't trying to get any, just originally, the miltary stuff. I almost owned a flag taken from the top of the French Embassy in France when the Americans liberated it, which was signed by all the liberators, but my mom refused to allow me to purchase it. So it's a matter of opinion. But don't get me wrong, OWNING memorabilia from WWI and Nazi Germany, (mostly I have money and a few other little things like an Iron Cross), does not in any way, shape or form mean I honor them, venerate Hitler, or hold high respect. It was just part of a collection I was amassing at the time. Edit: I also do not know that I would consider the Internet a good judge of popularity or respect of a given concept or thing. Nightowl >8# "Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson Edited by Nightowl March 10, 2004, 02:41:38 PM EST Expand All History
Post #145,335 by inthane-chan 3/10/04 2:30:33 PM Reply	There's a certain mindset in the grognard crew... (Quickie definition - Grognard == wargamer) that the German army was something to be respected. I've never quite understood this fascination myself. "I'll stop calling this crew 'Orwellian' when they stop using 1984 as an operations manual." - J. Bradford DeLong
Post #145,339 by deSitter 3/10/04 2:37:53 PM Reply	Strangely.. ..their won-loss record is lousy. The Hessians got their asses thoroughly kicked at Trenton without killing a single Colonist, changing the course of the American Revolution. Napoleon I ran circles around them and the Austrians, the Franco-Prussian war was ultimately a draw, and we know the rest. In terms of a football analogy, the Germans are "Air Coryell", and tend to lose by scores like 42-38 - if you kill enough of them they will eventually stop making suicidal charges. -drl

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