Post #144,388
3/4/04 11:23:33 AM
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Adlai...
[link|http://www.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/adlaistevenson.html|http://www.uua.org/u...laistevenson.html] Some tidbits: It is often easier to fight for principles than to live up to them. --Adlai Stevenson There was a time when a fool and his money were soon parted, but now it happens to everybody. --Adlai Stevenson A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. --Adlai Stevenson To escort a cat on a leash is against the nature of the cat. --Adlai Stevenson It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of unescorted roaming. --Adlai Stevenson From [link|http://quote.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson|http://quote.wikiped...i/Adlai_Stevenson] , * During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to him, "You have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back, "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!" * "You are in the courtroom of world opinion\ufffd. You have denied they exist, and I want to know if I understood you correctly\ufffd. I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over. And I am also prepared to present the evidence in this room!" (to Soviet U.N. Ambassador V. Zorin during the Cuban Missile Crisis) * "You will find that the truth is often unpopular and the contest between agreeable fancy and disagreeable fact is unequal. For, in this vernacular, we Americans are suckers for good news." * "In America, anyone can become president and I suppose that's just one of the risks you take." Miscellanious... While campaigning against Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, Adlai Stevenson addressed a group of children: "How many children in this audience," he asked, "would like to be a candidate for President of the United States?" Seeing a number of hands shoot up, Stevenson continued with another question: "How many candidates for President of the United States," he asked, "would like to be children again?" - and with a curious smile he raised his own hand! "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." "We cannot be any stronger in our foreign policy\ufffdfor all the bombs and guns we may heap up in our arsenals\ufffdthan we are in the spirit which rules inside the country. Foreign policy, like a river, cannot rise above its source," We have confused the free with the free and easy. And from [link|http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/adlaistevenson.html|http://www.americanr...laistevenson.html], And you have written a platform that neither equivocates, contradicts, nor evades. You have restated our party\ufffds record, its principles and its purposes, in language that none can mistake, and with a firm confidence in justice, freedom, and peace on earth that will raise the hearts and the hopes of mankind for that distant day when no one rattles a saber and no one drags a chain.
For all things I am grateful to you. But I feel no exultation, no sense of triumph. Our troubles are all ahead of us. Some will call us appeasers; others will say that we are the war party. Some will say we are reactionary; other swill say that we stand for socialism. There will be inevitable -- the inevitable cries of \ufffdthrow the rascals out,\ufffd \ufffdit\ufffds time for a change,\ufffd and so on and so on.
We\ufffdll hear all those things and many more besides. But we will hear nothing that we have not heard before. I\ufffdm not too much concerned with partisan denunciation, with epithets and abuse, because the workingman, the farmer, the thoughtful businessman, all know that they are better off than ever before, and they all know the Great Depression under the hammer blows of the Democratic party.
Nor am I afraid that the precious two-party system is in danger. Certainly the Republican party looked brutally alive a couple of weeks ago -- and I mean both Republican parties. Nor am I afraid the Democratic party is old and fat and indolent. After a hundred and fifty years, it has been old for a long time, and it will never be indolent, as long as it looks forward and not back, as long as it commands the allegiance of the young and the hopeful who dream the dreams and see the visions of a better America and a better world.
You will hear many sincere and thoughtful people express concern about the continuation of one party in power for twenty years. I don\ufffdt belittle this attitude. But change for the sake of change has no absolute merit in itself. If our greatest hazard is preservation of the values of Western civilization, in our self-interest alone, if you please, it is the part -- is it the part of wisdom to change for the sake of change to a party with a split personality, to a leader, whom we all respect, but who has been called upon to minister to a hopeless case of political schizophrenia?
If the fear is corruption in official position, do you believe with Charles Evans Hughes that guild is personal and knows no party? Do you doubt the power of any political leader, if he has the will too do so, to set his own house in order without his neighbors having to burn it down?
What does concern me, in common with thinking partisans of both parties, is not just winning this election but how it is won, how well we can take advantage of this great quadrennial opportunity to debate issues sensibly and soberly. I hope and pray that we Democrats, win or lose, can campaign not as a crusade to exterminate the opposing party, as our opponents seem to prefer, but as a great opportunity to educated and elevate a people whose destiny is leadership, not alone of a rich and prosperous, contented country, as in the past, but of a world in ferment.
And, my friends even more important than winning the election is governing the nation. That is the test of a political party, the acid, final test. When the tumult and the shouting die, when the bands are gone and the lights are dimmed, there is the stark reality of responsibility in an hour of history haunted with those gaunt, grim specters of strife, dissension, and materialism at home and ruthless, inscrutable, and hostile power abroad.
The ordeal of the twentieth century, the bloodiest, most turbulent era of the whole Christian age, is far from over. Sacrifice, patience, understanding, and implacable purpose may be our lot of years to come. Let\ufffds face it. Let\ufffds talk sense to the American people. Let\ufffds tell them the truth, that there are no gains without pains, that there -- that we are now on the eve of great decisions, not easy decisions, like resistance when you\ufffdre attacked, but a long, patient, costly struggle which alone can assure triumph over the great enemies of man -- war, poverty, and tyranny -- and the assaults upon human dignity which are the most grievous consequences of each.
Let\ufffds tell them that the victory to be won in the twentieth century, this portal to the Golden Age, mocks the pretensions of individual acumen and ingenuity, for it is a citadel guarded by thick walls of ignorance and of mistrust which do not fall before the trumpets\ufffd blast or the politicians\ufffd imprecations or even a general\ufffds baton. The are, they are, my friends, walls that must be directly stormed by the hosts of courage, of morality, and of vision, standing shoulder to shoulder, unafraid of ugly truth, contemptuous of lies, half truths, circuses, and demagoguery.
The people are wise, wiser than the Republicans think. And the Democratic party is the people\ufffds party -- not the labor party, not the farmers\ufffd party, not the employers\ufffd party -- it is the party of no one because it is the party of everyone.
That, that, I -- I think, is our ancient mission. Where we have deserted it, we have failed. With your help, there will be no desertion now. Better we lose the election than mislead the people, and better we lose than misgovern the people. Help me to do the job in these years of darkness, of doubt, and of crisis which stretch beyond the horizon of tonight\ufffds happy vision, and we will justify our glorious past and the loyalty of silent millions who look to us for compassion, for understanding, and for honest purpose, Thus we will serve our great tradition greatly.
I ask of you all you have. I will give you all I have, even as he who came here tonight and honored me, as he has honored you, the Democratic party, by a lifetime of service and bravery that will find him an imperishable page in the history of the Republic and of the Democratic party -- President Harry S. Truman. What's the problem, Ashton? Adlai for President...
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
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Post #144,548
3/5/04 12:25:51 AM
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Having a bout of schizophrenia, are we?
You can admire these laudable quotes, yet cynically imply that you'd vote to continue this cabal in the direction it is going - without an augenblick. Even after quoting, And, my friends even more important than winning the election is governing the nation. That is the test of a political party, the acid, final test. When the tumult and the shouting die, when the bands are gone and the lights are dimmed, there is the stark reality of responsibility in an hour of history haunted with those gaunt, grim specters of strife, dissension, and materialism at home and ruthless, inscrutable, and hostile power abroad. And: "We cannot be any stronger in our foreign policy\ufffdfor all the bombs and guns we may heap up in our arsenals\ufffdthan we are in the spirit which rules inside the country. Foreign policy, like a river, cannot rise above its source," Anyway, you can't get off by fanciful musings ~ Of all sad tales of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: it might have been.(Any more than I can get away with: "let's wait for the species to get through adolescent body piercings .. before we give Anyone power over more than a box of matches".) Or just: declare yourself a closet-member of the PNAC, and be done with it. (Surely you won't invoke that hoary marlowesque phrase, Objective Morality, even if daily surrounded by Jesuits .. Shirley!) Just a few subversive thoughts on the daily Murder of Language for $$$ moi
How ya like the new Repo 9/11 ads? $200M to egest millions more over the next EIGHT MONTHS - - Remember LBJ's assassination of Goldwater via the child + flower + Mushroom Cloud background?
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Post #144,599
3/5/04 11:38:37 AM
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Quadrophrenia, my dear boy...
Who - The Punk Meets The Godfather Lyrics
Punk: You declared you would be three inches taller You only became what we made you. Thought you were chasing a destiny calling You only earned what we gave you. You fell and cried as our people were starving, Now you know that we blame you. You tried to walk on the trail we were carving, Now you know that we framed you.
G.f.: I\ufffdm the guy in the sky Flying high flashing eyes No surprise I told lies I\ufffdm the punk in the gutter I\ufffdm the new president But I grew and I bent Don\ufffdt you know? don\ufffdt it show? I\ufffdm the punk with the stutter. My my my my my mmmm my my my.
Ggggg-g-g-g-g generation.
Punk: We tried to speak between lines of oration You could only repeat what we told you. Your axe belongs to a dying nation, They don\ufffdt know that we own you. You\ufffdre watching movies trying to find the feelers, You only see what we show you. We\ufffdre the slaves of the phony leaders Breathe the air we have blown you.
G.f.: I\ufffdm the guy etc.
I have to be careful not to preach I can\ufffdt pretend that I can teach, And yet I\ufffdve lived your future out By pounding stages like a clown. And on the dance floor broken glass, The bloody faces slowly pass, The broken seats in empty rows, It all belongs to me you know.
I deeply respect and admire Adlai Stevenson. A true intellectual (and unelectable even in his own time). Could you imagine these words emanating from a Reagan or a Bush or a Clinton or a Kerry? It's not that I don't believe they possess the intellect (well, at least Bush sr.) ... it would just fall on deaf ears. You passed up my favorite Adlai anecdote -
During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to him, "You have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back, "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
Another gem in this speech, "I hope and pray that we Democrats, win or lose, can campaign not as a crusade to exterminate the opposing party, as our opponents seem to prefer, but as a great opportunity to educated and elevate a people whose destiny is leadership, not alone of a rich and prosperous, contented country, as in the past, but of a world in ferment."
Which party in 2004 represents this? Just which ass clown will carry this torch? If schizophrenic, by your definition, means being able to see the grey between black and white, I am guilty. Dem - white - good: Rep - black - bad... Yeap, it's pretty cut and dried with you, ain't it partner?
Four more years!!!!
Ashton, did I mention that I hate elections years?
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
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Post #144,637
3/5/04 1:39:07 PM
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Get over Repo/Demo yourself
Straw feces theses
It's PNAC vs The World (and that "thinking persons" tiny minority Adlai perfectly quipped.) You know: that egghead guy. He's dead, Jim. (Right over there, next to our er National Honor\ufffd, in the crypt with the stone Eagle)
If you don't see the glassy eyes of religio- idealogue fanaticism at the very top of the hierarchy just now: then you have a pair of glass eyes. And in extremis, sometimes it DOES come down to..
the odds just Have to be better with *any* old OTHER_THAN: a present full cockup. As in: yes, any One of the 'Demo' half of the Republicrat One Party (or unelectable Nader) only could offer at least a chance.. whereas there is 0 chance of repairing the Shrub damage to all relations with other countries, not to mention PATRIOT and all the fumbled at-home matters needing brains, not divisive slogans and the politico-marketing of Fear/Persimmon-coloured. Check out that 9/11 ad yet?
So *your* Shrub vote is: a Cheney- Wolfowitz- Ashcroft- Powell- ROVE!- vote for the handlers/scriptors of our folksy tongue-tied one.
You/We get the whole bunch, and no amount of hand-wringing, whiney pop lyrics or recriminations over "how we declined so far and so fast" - can excuse this black/white vote being euphemized into "hey, they're all the same". "And I won't play unless the rulez are changed - Now." cha cha cha
ie screw your 'grey' - it is (like the album cover) none more blacker. Weasel words, less'n ya likes the idea of directing the planet into Murican-style cubicles For Their Own Good, Father Dan -- and have also conveniently forgotten the nukes on order for future 'Persuasion' + the inevitable Draft to feed that. (Ah.. maybe kids Are expendable - when you have a planet to managemenace.)
Sorry, No Sale; dark-grey == black, close enough for Government work.
moi
Where's Zappa .. and Kurt Vonnegut's new book! -- when We Need Them.. to get through to the post-literate who only read song lyrics nowadays . . .
:-\ufffd Post-Grad Polemics LLC In time for Armageddon: special seating next to The Big Guy (by special arrangement with Her Staff and Fox News)
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Post #144,648
3/5/04 2:47:51 PM
3/5/04 3:55:01 PM
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Au contraire, mon frere...
You screed: the odds just Have to be better with *any* old OTHER_THAN: a present full cockup. As in: yes, any One of the 'Demo' half of the Republicrat One Party (or unelectable Nader) only could offer at least a chance.. whereas there is 0 chance of repairing the Shrub damage to all relations with other countries, not to mention PATRIOT and all the fumbled at-home matters needing brains, not divisive slogans and the politico-marketing of Fear/Persimmon-coloured. Check out that 9/11 ad yet? That "repair the damage to all relations with other countries" strawman is what you are hanging your hat on. Listen: you are naive. The business of government is to perpetuate the government. It should survive long after you or I have been planted back into the soil. The naive "old hippy shit" Clinton style lassez faire bullshit foreign policy is what led to 9/11. Other countries "loved us" then because they perceived us as weak - as all talk. They forget that we are the only nation in history to have actually USED a weapon of mass destruction on Japan. I suppose the world loved us then too? Sorry, Ashton, no sale... Which vote of Kerry's in the senate shows that he wasn't just another Clinton/Bush ass clown? An integral piece of the cabal that you rail against? You see the glass as half empty, I see it as shattered. Talk about mindless screeds and slogans. Pot/kettle/black... I did see the Bush add. It is all well and good that SOMEONE remind "we the fucking people" that it ain't time for bness as usual with our God epluribus. If it takes them showing footage of the folks diving from the top floors all the way to the ground to make them get out of their narcisistic self-denial of who they are, what happened on 9/11, and what ain't over yet, I hope someone shows that too. Hey, Kerry, let's just bury our collective fucking heads back on our old hedonistic lifestyles "you better off now" mindless rhetoric. Shit, after a few years, they'll put new buildings up and we'll be right back to trying to one up eachother on the nicest UAV - and forget about all those poor people who died in a couple of office buildings in New York City. After all, it is the economy, stupid... Didn't we put a plaque up somewhere? The ads are only painful to those who are in denial of what happened and why. Your axe belongs to a dying nation, breath the air we have blown you. Ass clown.
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
Edited by danreck
March 5, 2004, 03:55:01 PM EST
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Post #144,662
3/5/04 4:41:32 PM
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We kill 40,000 \ufffd a year just in cars
It's claimed that 100K/yr more die via *misdiagnosis* via Med Corp mavens. The US Civil War allegedly did a 9/11 EVERY WEEK. Who's talking about what real TRAGEDY might taste like? Pshaw. Perspective.. don't leave the fundraiser without it. Oh.. instant videoed death is worth more than All Other more gradual annual tolls?
You're too young to join My Gramma and start looking forward to each new issue of Human Events. You're already hyped for Universal flak-jackets, including kiddie-sized. I've seen that before (you were born). Same old.
So if what you want is to PARLAY that "muscle flex" at Hiroshima {Big Bad Don't-Fuck-with Uncle Sam} mindset the same-old same-old Way:
(Only this time, *all alone*) - as we emulate Israel with military solutions to the legions of new US-Haters this policy creates, via the dead relatives of each of the 'collaterally damaged' - - If that's what you want, bunky -?- why strut along there, General Pandemonium and all the little tads, perky little Vengeance and the sullen Suicide-twins with-nothing-to-lose.
Gentlemen, Start Your Calculators! Come see the Collossus of the World, 1014 Feet Tall - do battle with millions of Brobdignagians: All By Hisself. <<<
Strength Through Joy Oceania VS {whomever} Win This One for The Gipper
But on this course you find so attractive, for the eventual subornment of all Non-US Sin in the World into Our Style Sin - remember those nukes on order - and Why they were ordered and Who shall be deciding to unleash same. And for how long. And what the response to that use is apt to be. (Of course, we could just Be Safe - and nuke 'em all; after all, like Saddam: any One of Them __might__ someday Turn On Us. Who needs any more excuse than that?)
And notice.. as the doors close tighter on Fortress America, as orchestrated maudlin Fear starts curdling the milk and the arrests begin for opposing {almost any aspect}. Then: we'll have another of these Firestorm Chats, OK? Encrypted, of course, until the Fatherland Security patrol cracks the discussion.
Meanwhile: Eight More Months of this crap and daily 9/11 FLASH-injections -- now what, again, happened to the Inquiry ABOUT that 9/11, whose replay is to keep The Pot Boiling? Minor stuff, that - let's just Emote; screw the cerebral (like Adlai) -- obv you're becoming a Traditionalist in that regard, too
Yeh, I Hate these pre-holocaust faux-election periods! Too... too much reminder of how near the mouth of the cave, despite the transistorized Soma and electric guitars.
Peace. er War! I meant War, Mr. A.G. Honest.
Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill Ah.. even treacherous suicidal youth; lots of them? at The Great Mall??
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Post #144,666
3/5/04 5:03:20 PM
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Okay, so now you know...
That I have just been trying to find a way to use my favorite new word/phrase "ass clown" as much as possible... It would even make a good Jabber title page...
;-)
Can we just agree to agree on one thing... Adlai Stevenson should have been elected, damn it. And as always, you are ever the optimist, moy droog...
And, ass clown that I am, I still feel that in a democracy, I still have the right to vote for the best man for the job (even if he's no longer with us)...
C'est la vie...
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
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Post #144,667
3/5/04 5:22:47 PM
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In Wish-space: we vote together for Adlai - and rewrite the
sordid 20th Century!
I'll shoot-up to That..
(hey - opposing Bush ain't about appeasing deranged Fundies or pretending we can just walk away from Iraqmess du jour; it's about a better strategy than This Droid's - Mr. Ash Clown. Neither you nor I can know what Kerry might do with the power; we Know what Shrub did. And we both Know: You can't GET! Adlai-grade through Our System, Nohow - idgit ;-) :-0
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Post #144,670
3/5/04 6:03:39 PM
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Re: Au contraire, mon frere...
You pass the following gas: The naive "old hippy shit" Clinton style lassez faire bullshit foreign policy is what led to 9/11. What pap! As if these fanatics wouldn't have attempted this if Poppy or Mr. Viagra had won! Such complete manure! Look, there are basically two reasons why 9/11 happened: 1) A Muslim fanatic with way too much money got pissed that the Infidels (that us, Jack) sent troops to The Holy Land\ufffd at the request of the Head Weenie of that selfsame Land\ufffd; furthermore, we had the Satanic Audacity to send wimmen to that land...without bhurkas or veils or anyovthatstuff. And they do Man-like things, to boot! Oh... the Horror! Who was in charge of sending the Infidels of the Great Satan to occupy their infernal Holy Land\ufffd? Hint: Wasn't Clinton... Oh, yeah... it was Poppy! 2) Said Muslim Fanatic sent his minion to the US to "train" for the Ultimate Sacrifice (w/ Virigns, Paradise, and all the trimmings). You know, we actually did know they were here, and doing all sorts of wierdball things; like, learning to fly without bothering to learn to land or take off, for example. It's been documented that the folks who discovered this did try to report this wierdball behavior to their "superiors", but along the Information Highway, that bus got shuttled of onto a rest stop, and was never allowed to get back on. After all, the wierdball things were being done by citizens of The Holy Land\ufffd, and summarily drubbing said wierdballs out of the country would have been bad for the [oil] trade. Who was in charge of sending that bus onto that rest stop? Hint: Wasn't Clinton... Oh yeah...It was Poppy's kid, Duh-bahyew! Hmmmmmm....
jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #144,700
3/5/04 9:27:43 PM
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yeah if Bush was pres in 1999
which I recall he wasnt check a few of the dates in this court case, ol hippy dippy hisself was in charge [link|http://www.justice-denied.net/strong_against_the_weak.htm|http://www.justice-d...inst_the_weak.htm] thanx, bill
when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #144,726
3/6/04 9:34:41 AM
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Go back a few years before that. And, ...
if Bush had been in office in 1999, maybe the first Al Qaeda attempt (bombs to LAX to "celebrate" the 1/1/2000 events) would have been successful. :-p
bcnu, Mikem
I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
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