Observation.

Post #14,238 by bepatient 10/19/01 9:01:49 PM Reply	Observation. Good piece...because its true. Whether I agree with it or not.... BUT... At one point, ALOT of people were clamoring for better, more organized, less bureaucratic types to lead the country...like businessmen who ran successful corporations...Lee I was bantered about...Forbes' tries to give this impression... Now we have one as a veep...and the press consensus now is that we have one...his type is "spiritless" at its most kind. Does anyone wonder why no qualified, really good candidates will EVER make the White House? Anyone with any sense of self-worth at all would realize that they can make tons more on the outside, probably do just as much >real< good and NOT have to put up with this kind of press day in and day out for the better part of 5 years (9 if they're lucky and get reelected) Just a rant You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #14,255 by Ashton 10/20/01 12:18:48 AM 10/20/01 12:46:58 AM Reply	Seems a remarkably consistent observation for anyone who's plan derived from the idea that society is meant to conform to, almost exactly but not quite precisely.. whatever the Economic Model assigns as their duty. So then - they all do it for money ??? Less money - less talent available. That's It? (or.. could there be other, Corporate reasons kinda pre-vetting certain umm selectable ones, then.. after soft$ media 'campaigns' later.. these happen to float to the top? With some regularity?) Nahhh. Couldn't be. Undemocratic that! Every vote counts. And obviously: anyone can become President. This IS Murica, after all. eventually, sometimes with a little help from friends. [Almost forgot: clearly our Ideal for that Model would come from the bizness ranks, and buy the model - lock stock & barrel. Yes, remarkable consistency throughout.] Just checkin. Say, for a $10M guaranteed return, there's this little job I have for you.. (sorry, no details - what else do you need to know: the money's there.) Ashton Election Constructions Ltd. Pay Me, You Win and so do I (Yes! now that you ask - we Do have NDAs; Wouldn't run an election without one) Edited by Missing User 70 Oct. 20, 2001, 12:46:58 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #14,314 by Brandioch 10/20/01 2:30:58 PM Reply	But the country isn't a business. While I can understand wanting someone who understands fiscal responsibility and budgetting and forcasting and all..... This is a country. With lots of different people with lots of different ideas with lots of different needs.
Post #14,315 by bepatient 10/20/01 2:39:27 PM Reply	You I'll respond to... but Ashton seems to want to miss my point a little too often... The point being that no matter who we get and from what backround the come... it is getting harder and harder to identify qualified folks that will actually persue the highest office in the land. Colin P has stated as much...he will work for the government in any poition they feel he is needed...but he has (and will probably continue to do so) refused to run for elected office. He has chosen not to endure the scrutiny placed upon those folks by the rabid dog we still call the "free press". How many supremely qualified candidates will we never see because of this. That was it...my observation...for what its worth. GW...press has successfully made the guy an idiot. Al Gore...policy wonk with no personality. Insane McCain etc... You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #14,342 by Ashton 10/20/01 7:07:44 PM Reply	Well hell, if That's all you meant, how could you possibly imagine anyone'd disagree? But check your phrasing again, word by word, OK? Your response above is a horse of a different saddle. I'd just like to find out if - you think the business model has any serious, possibly fatal limitations - and if you just might have thought up something a bit saner than the present case where: "Bizness Enterprise" is the automatic Solution, whatever the Problem, and however it's parsed. Because that is what I hear you returning to, like a homing pigeon. {Sheesh} Ashton
Post #14,343 by Brandioch 10/20/01 7:28:19 PM Reply	Check the government. Does the President actually DO anything? Or, rather, does the President actually do anything that would AFFECT the lives of anyone in a position to run for President? The President can and does affect the lives of the lower 50% of the income population. But anyone politically able to run or financially able to buy the Presidency would be better off buying a Congresscritter or a critter's position. In other words, what incentive is there for the best and brightest to become President?
Post #14,333 by admin 10/20/01 4:44:14 PM Reply	Old line: Those who want the office aren't qualified for it in the first place. Or words to that effect. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #14,498 by static 10/21/01 10:08:59 PM Reply	You mean... Those most capable of getting themselves into said office may well be the least suitable... Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #14,500 by admin 10/21/01 10:13:11 PM Reply	Most capable, most interested in, etc. :-) Regards, -scott anderson
Post #14,506 by addison 10/21/01 11:06:38 PM Reply	Someone commented... "Ask people what they want in their leaders. They'll tell you things like honesty, integrity, faithfulness, intelligence, compassion, hard working... How do we select said leaders? Popularity. That's right. Your leaders are the high school president and VP. Popularity contest." Addison
Post #14,511 by static 10/22/01 12:41:07 AM Reply	So scary. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #14,543 by jb4 10/22/01 10:04:26 AM 10/22/01 10:06:48 AM Reply	What was that hierarchy...? Somewhere, sometime long ago before the mists of my mind became more like a tooley[sic?] fog, I vaguely remember something about a hierarchy of desires or hierarchy of motivation, or somesuch. Money was cloe to the top but not actually at the top; power was at the top. For one motivated at that level, "that they can make tons more on the outside," is not important. These guys want power; purely and simply, the ability to tell someone else what to do, but not have to do that themselves. jb4 (Resistance is not futile...) Edited by jb4 Oct. 22, 2001, 10:06:48 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #14,552 by Steve Lowe 10/22/01 10:25:52 AM Reply	Maslow possibly? [link\|http://teach.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/regsys/maslow.html\|Hierarchy of Needs] Is that what you're thinking of? ----- Steve
Post #14,594 by jb4 10/22/01 1:38:46 PM Reply	No, that wasn't it... ...It doesn't directly address the drive to acquire money, power, and all that base stuff (at least, no directly). But thanks! I didn't really expecte anyone to try to locate such a link. You're a gennelman and a scholar. jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)

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