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Post #140,917
by ben_tilly
2/10/04 10:52:37 AM
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New You really like how Japan works?
You are right that Japan is very strong on using shame as a motivator. The flip side of that is that anyone whose position is seen as shameful becomes an acceptable target.

[link|http://www.thingsasian.com/goto_article/tell_story.1474.html|http://www.thingsasi...l_story.1474.html]

Is that really the model for how we should treat socially disadvantaged people?

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #140,926
by deSitter
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2/10/04 11:16:47 AM
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New Re: You really like how Japan works?
I wasn't holding them up as a model society - merely one with low crime. In fact I doubt I'd be comfortable there.

Shame as punishment was common before the Pennsylvania system was implemented. (So, unfortunately, was death. England has something like 200 separate offenses punishable by death in the 18th century. Some were as trivial as theft by taking.)

-drl
     12 yr old girls handcuffed in LA - (deSitter) - (11) - Feb. 10, 2004, 05:23:32 AM EST
         Not so sure on this one.. - (Ashton) - Feb. 10, 2004, 06:39:58 AM EST
         Just how do you do that? - (imric) - (5) - Feb. 10, 2004, 06:45:58 AM EST
             Re: Just how do you do that? - (deSitter) - (4) - Feb. 10, 2004, 07:00:41 AM EST
                 Authorized! - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2004, 10:22:57 AM EST
                     I don't think it was excessive at all - (jake123) - Feb. 10, 2004, 11:48:18 AM EST
                 You really like how Japan works? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2004, 10:52:37 AM EST
                     Re: You really like how Japan works? - (deSitter) - Feb. 10, 2004, 11:16:47 AM EST
         Necessary - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2004, 01:05:08 PM EST
             And the counter-evidence is so freaking clear - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2004, 10:15:48 PM EST
                 Lying as a sign of linguistic ability.... - (imric) - Feb. 13, 2004, 06:42:12 AM EST
         Re: 12 yr old girls handcuffed in LA - (qstephens) - Feb. 12, 2004, 06:00:27 PM EST

I don't know about you, but that's the lifestyle I'm striving for.
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