Only alternative they suggested

Post #130,654 by orion 12/13/03 10:09:08 PM Reply	Only alternative they suggested was shock treatment. No way I am going to send electricity to my brain to try and reboot it. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,656 by deSitter 12/13/03 10:14:28 PM Reply	Re: Only alternative they suggested Why not? They put you to sleep, doesn't hurt. You're maybe a little sore when you wake up. They must hit you with some good shit to relax you. There is every reason to believe shock treatment might be appropriate. As it is, your synapses are in continuous chemical shock. Also, I doubt they start out with a controversial jolt. Hey, other medical procedures are dangerous, but that's why they call it "sick". -drl
Post #130,701 by orion 12/14/03 11:05:53 AM Reply	WHat I don't like are the side effects of shock treatment, the memory loss, and personality change, and having to learn many things over again. I have a problem with my memory already, I don't need more memory loss. Also chances are I could die from the procedure. Plus once people find out about it, the "Sparky" nickname will stick to me forever. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,705 by deSitter 12/14/03 11:25:41 AM 12/14/03 11:30:56 AM Reply	Re: WHat I don't like are the side effects The memory loss is very short term and more like having a hangover. As I already stated the doses are gradually applied, and the initial treatments are not dangerous. And changing your personality is the whole point, to be rid of self-defeating thoughts. ("Die" from shock treatment? Who told you that? It's not like they throw a toaster in the bathtub.) edit: [link\|http://www.medhelp.org/lib/ect.htm\|http://www.medhelp.org/lib/ect.htm] Also I found a whole website dedicated to you: [link\|http://www.stressoflife.com\|http://www.stressoflife.com] -drl Edited by deSitter Dec. 14, 2003, 11:30:56 AM EST Expand All History
Post #130,728 by orion 12/14/03 6:50:08 PM 12/14/03 6:54:18 PM Reply	ECT and me The way it was explained to me, my high blood pressure and high pulse rate and history of heart problems in my family puts me at risk. They wanted me to sign a waver not to hold the hospital accountable should I die from the ECT treatments. Several treatments a month, at a high price, for 6 months. Then if that doesn't work, 6 more months of treatment. Insurance said they would not cover it. I also talked to people who had ECT done years ago, and they were more disfunctional than I currently am. Ended up back into the hospital again for more mental illness treatments. Some could not even remember their children or what they did as a child. Stressoflife.com is not working. Got a better link? *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Dec. 14, 2003, 06:54:18 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,732 by deSitter 12/14/03 7:13:34 PM Reply	Re: ECT and me Forget it Norm. Just be unforgettable you. You and that other thing, what a pair. Where's the crater, I'm jumping in - I live in a city where people have the intelligence and insight of cheese wheels. -drl
Post #130,757 by orion 12/14/03 9:52:09 PM Reply	Cheddar or Swiss? :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,766 by deSitter 12/14/03 10:01:36 PM Reply	Re: Cheddar or Swiss? :) OK, I don't know why I like you or bother, but.. ECT is not dangerous unless you have a direct, measurable heart ailment. They don't "shock" you to be shocking you - they induce a convulsion as a way of cleaning out the garbage that's clogging your nervous system. If you are at all normal there will be few effects on you - effects that clear up and presto, you've been rebooted and can reorganize your thought. -drl
Post #130,768 by boxley 12/14/03 10:06:35 PM Reply	http://ect.org/ having been hit with 220 from palm to barefeet in a puddle I can attest that the effects are deleterious but short lived. It does affect your personal magnetic field. I can effect tv broadcasts by standing close. After the shock for about a week that did not happen. It makes you feel like you are continously ready to faint and nauseous. Short term memory is affected but it does lower aggression tremendously. It takes about 6 weeks to renormalize which would not be of much use to Norm. thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,772 by deSitter 12/14/03 10:10:04 PM Reply	Re: http://ect.org/ I still think it's better for you than powerful drugs. Also I thought the applied current was DC. -drl
Post #130,777 by orion 12/14/03 10:17:54 PM Reply	Reasons not to get it [link\|http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/ect/resources/surgeongeneral/rebuttal.asp\|http://www.healthypl...eral/rebuttal.asp] [link\|http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/article.asp?ArtID=1113\|http://www.philadelp...le.asp?ArtID=1113] [link\|http://www.electroboy.com/electroshocktherapy.htm\|http://www.electrobo...oshocktherapy.htm] [link\|http://www.contac.org/contaclibrary/media11.htm\|http://www.contac.or...brary/media11.htm] [link\|http://www.banshock.org/\|http://www.banshock.org/] [link\|http://www.psych.org/pnews/97-05-02/ect.html\|http://www.psych.org...97-05-02/ect.html] [link\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/295597.stm\|http://news.bbc.co.u...health/295597.stm] [link\|http://www.academicarmageddon.co.uk/library/frank.htm\|http://www.academica...library/frank.htm] [link\|http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/11123.html\|http://www.ama-assn....tegory/11123.html] *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,769 by orion 12/14/03 10:07:10 PM Reply	Rebooting my brain OK, I don't know why I like you or bother, but.. I could say the same about you, there are times when I wonder about you too. I do like you despite some things you say about me. ECT is not dangerous unless you have a direct, measurable heart ailment. They don't "shock" you to be shocking you - they induce a convulsion as a way of cleaning out the garbage that's clogging your nervous system. If you are at all normal there will be few effects on you - effects that clear up and presto, you've been rebooted and can reorganize your thought. While in the hospital a Reverand Sterling told me that it was against God to have such a thing done. He called it unnatural and torture. So on a religous basis I also have something against it. My wife is also against it and she is a nurse and knows the side-effects. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,780 by Nightowl 12/14/03 10:27:48 PM 12/14/03 10:38:35 PM Reply	Re: Cheddar or Swiss? :) Neither!!! GOUDA!!!!!!! Yummmmmmy! Hey, at least me and Norman are cheeses. You, you're just Cheese Whiz. ;) Nightowl >8# Edit: added comment at bottom. "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O} Edited by Nightowl Dec. 14, 2003, 10:38:35 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,710 by Nightowl 12/14/03 2:08:12 PM Reply	Re: WHat I don't like are the side effects Don't let anyone push or hassle you into a procedure you aren't okay about. You stick to what you are doing, keep plugging and keep doing what the doctor says and you'll keep on improving. The improvement I've seen in just barely a year is remarkable, so don't worry about what everyone else thinks. None of us are perfect, all of us make mistakes, do stupid screw ups and sometimes piss people off, but regardless, all of us are usually doing the best we can. Hang in there. Brenda Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,784 by orion 12/15/03 1:45:48 AM Reply	I am doing my best the best a wheel of cheese can do anyway. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,785 by Nightowl 12/15/03 1:53:54 AM Reply	I agree And so am I. :) At least we know to make like a wheel and roll with the punches, rather than sit like a squeeze bottle and spew! ;) Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,891 by orion 12/15/03 5:41:46 PM Reply	Some times I am Cheddar and other times Swiss Sharp Cheddar that is, when my mind works somewhat better. Swiss when my mind has holes in it and doesn't do as good. "Behold the power of Cheese!" :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,924 by boxley 12/15/03 9:15:57 PM Reply	Motherfucking Morons! take this fucking drivel elsewhere! this is flame after all. polite comments do not belong here. thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,931 by Nightowl 12/15/03 10:24:12 PM Reply	Sorry, but Scott told us... To keep our battle with DeSitter in here. Take it up with him. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,932 by boxley 12/15/03 10:52:18 PM Reply	you are blowing orion and he is jigging you metaphorically in the last few threads. If you wan to have a side bar about each other do so. This area is specifically for insulting commentary ya daft bitch (get it now?) thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,937 by orion 12/15/03 11:56:39 PM Reply	It was insulting I was calling myself a wheel of cheese in reference to deSitter's posts. It was meant to be insulting to him and sarcastic. Maybe you just didn't get it? ECT can do that to you, or so I hear. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,658 by Nightowl 12/13/03 10:20:09 PM Reply	Norman, you're doing fine You're following your doctor's advice, taking the medication that is helping you, and you don't need to consider any non-professional opinions unless you want to. I think you are improving, and that's what matters in the long run, is getting better, no matter how long it takes. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}

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