Re: The later facts were damning ...

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Post #12,747 by dmarker2 10/10/01 6:47:54 PM Reply	Re: The later facts were damning ... The girl was not a nurse - she was the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat. The story was fabricated and she was coached by a group of people working with the CIA. The man who did the coaching and the 'company' he worked for also went to Russia to help plan Yeltsin's re election back when it was believed Yeltsin was going to be creamed by the communists & right wingers (Yeltsin won). The point about the incubator testimony was that it was pivitol evidence used to sway public opinion. It sure sucked me in at the time. Now ask yourself - that evidence swayed a nation but was baced on a bare-faced & concocted lie fed to the congress & senate. It was done by the same people who are now in power in the US. When intelligent people get taken in by such monstrous lies, we can either shrug it off or decide to be far more critical of suspect reports that seem to serve a specific purpose. That report on the Taliban smacks of this same dirty tricks swaying of public opinion. I give it a 70% - 80% probability of being deliberate misinformation. But only time may tell. Either way - as evidenced by your own opinion, it has achieved its desired effect. Cheers Doug Marker ( a - 1st casualty of war - truth b - who are the acknowleged worlds masters of propaganda & news manipulation)
Post #12,818 by Andrew Grygus 10/10/01 11:23:16 PM Reply	I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. I was quite as convinced of the evil of the Taliban months ago as I am today, and quite as convinced they should be liquidated then as now. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #12,822 by dmarker2 10/10/01 11:34:10 PM Reply	Re: So be it I know I am not immune to propaganda - but as I get older I do find myself rating certain types of item on a scale of probability for its potential as truth vs blatant propaganda - this is made all the more significant when it gets proven that some of the most emotive propaganda turns out to be fabricated by people associated with ones own govt. Propaganda doesn't always offend me - I do want to be able to understand what the true intent is. Telling lies to the Senate began back in Roman times :-) Cheers Doug

Operation Enduring Freedom begins - (kmself) - (87) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:40:10 PM EDT

And the Taliban pulled out their pre-recorded responses - (Steven A S) - (42) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:58:07 PM EDT

Next, the world will be told . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:30:42 PM EDT

ObL's response gives lie... - (kmself) - (39) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:51:19 PM EDT

Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (Ashton) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:14:17 PM EDT

Re: Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (gtall) - (35) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:07:31 PM EDT

Disagree - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:24:26 PM EDT

Yo, dickhead... Cluestick... - (screamer) - (32) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:00 AM EDT

Yo..Meathead - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:41:56 PM EDT

Give the Israelis some credit. - (marlowe) - (18) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:55:05 PM EDT

I Do - or Did. - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:05:42 PM EDT

So how do we conquer without being, er, "oppressors?" - (marlowe) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:08 PM EDT

At This Point, Can't Use Nicey Nice - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Gentlemen! - fighting in *The War Room* !? -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:08:57 PM EDT

So how come it's okay for us to oppress Arabs... - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:13:17 PM EDT

Re: Wot U R suggesting would greatly expand the problem . - (dmarker2) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:14:50 PM EDT

Absolutely - (deSitter) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 12:40:53 AM EDT

Re: I have a perspective on this topic ..... - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:33 AM EDT

Can't resist such a pregnant analysis.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:39:25 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:48:59 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:06:38 AM EDT

Oh, how Judeo-Christian of you. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:51 AM EDT

Re: Yo bro - a good clarification - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:03:23 AM EDT

Keep in mind also - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:44:53 AM EDT

Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:55:54 AM EDT

The spread has been, as with all things - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 01:36:46 PM EDT

paganism spreads! - (boxley) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:22:57 PM EDT

No - (deSitter) - Oct. 10, 2001, 12:58:36 AM EDT

Yo, potato head... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:34:47 PM EDT

Uh oh, Chrlie and OBL? - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:39:43 PM EDT

LOL!!! By the way, it's a decent comparison? -NT - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:32:20 PM EDT

Well, I Considered It - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:35 PM EDT

So you want >them< to win. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:07:17 PM EDT

You Missed It Completely - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:22:47 PM EDT

Why is America strong? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:32:57 PM EDT

Too Bad - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:38:28 PM EDT

Asbury Park? - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:46:21 PM EDT

Re: Well, I Considered It - (gtall) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EDT

Heads... You win... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:37:47 PM EDT

Tails, I lose... - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:01:36 PM EDT

Similar reservations about timing - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:27:48 AM EDT

Of course truth is lost - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:51:32 PM EDT

Who said 'new'! merely worth remembering, as the "news" - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:56:12 AM EDT

Slippery... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:11:18 PM EDT

We missed? - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:57:25 PM EDT

I don't think he was the target of this mission. - (brettj) - (36) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:42:33 PM EDT

Better he stays alive. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:52:34 PM EDT

Re: BEYOND SEP 11: Im still trying to figure out if .... - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 7, 2001, 10:47:53 PM EDT

Osama bin Laden is merely the beginning! - (brettj) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:22:44 AM EDT

Re: It is what we heard here - Palestinians know ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:15:02 AM EDT

There was a follow-up. OBL never cared about Palestine ... - (brettj) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:10:44 PM EDT

Chechnya - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:22:32 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:17:07 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:54:57 PM EDT

Re: Not everyone sees the Taliban as oppressors ... - (dmarker2) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2001, 11:06:35 PM EDT

A couple of points. - (brettj) - (21) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:47:33 AM EDT

Re: A couple of points. - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EDT

TaliBAM - (tablizer) - (19) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Re: Taliblame - (dmarker2) - (16) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:58:15 AM EDT

Absolute Bull - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:40:17 AM EDT

Re: Absolute Bull - so you say - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:06:17 AM EDT

That might depend... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:10:09 AM EDT

Re: First to cast stones - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:04:26 PM EDT

Are you saying then . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:28:49 AM EDT

Re: Are you saying then . . . - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 07:03:19 PM EDT

You didn't deal with the main point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Oct. 9, 2001, 09:41:26 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:49 PM EDT

And I say the Taliban's main crime is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 10, 2001, 02:29:47 AM EDT

Re: Please humor me on one point ... - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 10, 2001, 03:19:40 AM EDT

I remember reading about the story . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:27:54 AM EDT

Re: The later facts were damning ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 06:47:54 PM EDT

I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:23:16 PM EDT

Re: So be it - (dmarker2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:34:10 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:50 PM EDT

Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder. - (Ashton) - Oct. 10, 2001, 04:04:10 AM EDT

Yeah, but it's *stable* brutality - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:43:46 PM EDT

Knock it off, Private ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:53:54 PM EDT

Interview with Pakistan "President"... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Re: This guy is very impressive - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:20:24 AM EDT

Wishful Thinking - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:11:10 PM EDT

Re: Wishful Thinking - maybe - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:03:32 AM EDT

Not everyone sees the world as round. - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:19:21 PM EDT

Remember from 10/1 - Taliban Leaders: Americans are cowards. - (brettj) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:06:57 PM EDT

What did we accomplish? - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:23:54 AM EDT

Knocked out defenses and secured airspace - (kmself) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:16:15 PM EDT

Carbon-carbon Tomahaw - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:05:13 PM EDT

Damned devious. - (addison) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:58:53 PM EDT

Food and medicine drops? - (wharris2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:33:36 PM EDT

He's using his E.T. powers!
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