Re: What point ?

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Post #12,558

10/9/01 11:01:50 PM

Re: What point ?

The article (which I had read) describes some of the awful things people do to each other

As I said in another post - 'let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone '

By this I am saying that many regimes incl the US practice nasty deeds against their own and other people to achieve certain ends. Some do it by proxy others directly. You focus on those aspects of Taliban behaviour ignores the commonality of bad practices by particular 'persons' against others. Times are very tough in Afghanistan.

So all you are telling me is that some of the Taliban are accused of crude methods by this former member.

I repeat yet again, The Taliban's biggest crime is training terrorists and exporting it.

D

Post #12,586

10/10/01 4:04:10 AM

Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder.

She proved to be a relative of quite 'interested-party' Kuwait muckeymucks IIRC. And the story was false - as later came dribbling out. You might also have thrown in:

Tonkin Gulf - the putative excuse for Johnson to receive carte blanche for the entire Vietnam massive escalation in futility and horror.

Actually I'd side with Andy insofar as - there is a pattern of internal oppression of the defenseless by these robed folk - fully as execrable a factoid as is their also being in the terror-export business. (Though.. cleaning out perpetrators of internal madness is not particularly in our charter: the export part IS)

But we haven't even begun to see the 110 dB audio levels to come - of massive disinformation all around, "national security" coming back to remind of all the events since 1945.

After the *next* planned foray... Who Knows what will be done on all sides. Already one thing is clear: Murica pre-9/11 won't return in our lifetimes. For better and for worse.

Where is William Blake when we *need* him..

Songs of Innocence and of Experience

A.

Operation Enduring Freedom begins - (kmself) - (87) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:40:10 PM EDT

And the Taliban pulled out their pre-recorded responses - (Steven A S) - (42) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:58:07 PM EDT

Next, the world will be told . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:30:42 PM EDT

ObL's response gives lie... - (kmself) - (39) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:51:19 PM EDT

Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (Ashton) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:14:17 PM EDT

Re: Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (gtall) - (35) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:07:31 PM EDT

Disagree - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:24:26 PM EDT

Yo, dickhead... Cluestick... - (screamer) - (32) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:00 AM EDT

Yo..Meathead - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:41:56 PM EDT

Give the Israelis some credit. - (marlowe) - (18) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:55:05 PM EDT

I Do - or Did. - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:05:42 PM EDT

So how do we conquer without being, er, "oppressors?" - (marlowe) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:08 PM EDT

At This Point, Can't Use Nicey Nice - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Gentlemen! - fighting in *The War Room* !? -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:08:57 PM EDT

So how come it's okay for us to oppress Arabs... - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:13:17 PM EDT

Re: Wot U R suggesting would greatly expand the problem . - (dmarker2) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:14:50 PM EDT

Absolutely - (deSitter) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 12:40:53 AM EDT

Re: I have a perspective on this topic ..... - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:33 AM EDT

Can't resist such a pregnant analysis.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:39:25 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:48:59 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:06:38 AM EDT

Oh, how Judeo-Christian of you. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:51 AM EDT

Re: Yo bro - a good clarification - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:03:23 AM EDT

Keep in mind also - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:44:53 AM EDT

Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:55:54 AM EDT

The spread has been, as with all things - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 01:36:46 PM EDT

paganism spreads! - (boxley) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:22:57 PM EDT

No - (deSitter) - Oct. 10, 2001, 12:58:36 AM EDT

Yo, potato head... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:34:47 PM EDT

Uh oh, Chrlie and OBL? - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:39:43 PM EDT

LOL!!! By the way, it's a decent comparison? -NT - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:32:20 PM EDT

Well, I Considered It - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:35 PM EDT

So you want >them< to win. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:07:17 PM EDT

You Missed It Completely - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:22:47 PM EDT

Why is America strong? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:32:57 PM EDT

Too Bad - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:38:28 PM EDT

Asbury Park? - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:46:21 PM EDT

Re: Well, I Considered It - (gtall) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EDT

Heads... You win... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:37:47 PM EDT

Tails, I lose... - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:01:36 PM EDT

Similar reservations about timing - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:27:48 AM EDT

Of course truth is lost - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:51:32 PM EDT

Who said 'new'! merely worth remembering, as the "news" - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:56:12 AM EDT

Slippery... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:11:18 PM EDT

We missed? - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:57:25 PM EDT

I don't think he was the target of this mission. - (brettj) - (36) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:42:33 PM EDT

Better he stays alive. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:52:34 PM EDT

Re: BEYOND SEP 11: Im still trying to figure out if .... - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 7, 2001, 10:47:53 PM EDT

Osama bin Laden is merely the beginning! - (brettj) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:22:44 AM EDT

Re: It is what we heard here - Palestinians know ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:15:02 AM EDT

There was a follow-up. OBL never cared about Palestine ... - (brettj) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:10:44 PM EDT

Chechnya - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:22:32 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:17:07 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:54:57 PM EDT

Re: Not everyone sees the Taliban as oppressors ... - (dmarker2) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2001, 11:06:35 PM EDT

A couple of points. - (brettj) - (21) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:47:33 AM EDT

Re: A couple of points. - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EDT

TaliBAM - (tablizer) - (19) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Re: Taliblame - (dmarker2) - (16) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:58:15 AM EDT

Absolute Bull - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:40:17 AM EDT

Re: Absolute Bull - so you say - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:06:17 AM EDT

That might depend... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:10:09 AM EDT

Re: First to cast stones - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:04:26 PM EDT

Are you saying then . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:28:49 AM EDT

Re: Are you saying then . . . - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 07:03:19 PM EDT

You didn't deal with the main point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Oct. 9, 2001, 09:41:26 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:49 PM EDT

And I say the Taliban's main crime is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 10, 2001, 02:29:47 AM EDT

Re: Please humor me on one point ... - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 10, 2001, 03:19:40 AM EDT

I remember reading about the story . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:27:54 AM EDT

Re: The later facts were damning ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 06:47:54 PM EDT

I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:23:16 PM EDT

Re: So be it - (dmarker2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:34:10 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:50 PM EDT

Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder. - (Ashton) - Oct. 10, 2001, 04:04:10 AM EDT

Yeah, but it's *stable* brutality - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:43:46 PM EDT

Knock it off, Private ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:53:54 PM EDT

Interview with Pakistan "President"... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Re: This guy is very impressive - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:20:24 AM EDT

Wishful Thinking - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:11:10 PM EDT

Re: Wishful Thinking - maybe - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:03:32 AM EDT

Not everyone sees the world as round. - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:19:21 PM EDT

Remember from 10/1 - Taliban Leaders: Americans are cowards. - (brettj) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:06:57 PM EDT

What did we accomplish? - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:23:54 AM EDT

Knocked out defenses and secured airspace - (kmself) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:16:15 PM EDT

Carbon-carbon Tomahaw - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:05:13 PM EDT

Damned devious. - (addison) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:58:53 PM EDT

Food and medicine drops? - (wharris2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:33:36 PM EDT

I'm sure when this came out, it was better than whatever else was out. Want to play chess with me, son? No way, Dad.
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