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Post #12,431
by JayMehaffey
10/9/01 11:44:53 AM
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New Keep in mind also
Keep in mind also, there where as many kinds of Paganism as there are types of Christians today, if not more. The gnostic mystery cults in particular where very quick to simply blend whatever local beliefs existed into the outer layers of the cult, making virtually every group slightly different in beliefs and practice.

Some of the pagan gnostic cults of the middle east already followed the sort of god inside line of thought that Ashton and deSitter follow today. They eventually evolved in the gnostic Christian cults and then where stamped out by the literalist Christians, who have never been good at tolerating other lines of thought.

Jay
Post #12,434
by Andrew Grygus
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10/9/01 11:55:54 AM
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New Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity.
Christianity was originally far more a child of Paganism (using that term as a blanket to cover all non Judeo-Christian religions) than Judaism, incorporating major concepts from the cult of Isis and Osiris, concepts imported from Persia, and possibly even farther.

But none of this supported an authoritarian church, so the rabble rousers tacked on the Old Testament to justify their ambitions.
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Post #12,449
by Ashton
10/9/01 1:36:46 PM
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New The spread has been, as with all things
er "helped along" by the evident political desire to corral power (and justify that in a neatly packaged way). Naming a particular celestial Chief Honcho is a 'nice' corollary for submission to the leadership of the local.. Honcho-guy (almost Always a guy, natch) -- umm for our comfort and safety.

Isis & Osiris indeed - I like the tree-model a lot better; a more compelling illustration of that mystery we get so massively wrong, so often - love :-)






Tiyo Kemosabe...
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Post #12,551
by boxley
10/9/01 10:22:57 PM
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New paganism spreads!
legs, but wait that was a long time ago, was it pagans or piegans? mumble, mumble, bikes, colors! Yup Pagans! ]:-> sorry boss couldnt resist
thanx,
bill
What is a user? You mean userid isnt the same as uid?, gid? whats that? I dont understand "ask the requestor to send a non formal email request for ftp access? whaddya mean dean?
Halp Iam drowning in Bovine Fecal Matter!!!!
Bill
     Operation Enduring Freedom begins - (kmself) - (87) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:40:10 PM EDT
         And the Taliban pulled out their pre-recorded responses - (Steven A S) - (42) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:58:07 PM EDT
             Next, the world will be told . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:30:42 PM EDT
             ObL's response gives lie... - (kmself) - (39) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:51:19 PM EDT
                 Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (Ashton) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:14:17 PM EDT
                     Re: Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (gtall) - (35) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:07:31 PM EDT
                         Disagree - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:24:26 PM EDT
                             Yo, dickhead... Cluestick... - (screamer) - (32) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:00 AM EDT
                                 Yo..Meathead - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:41:56 PM EDT
                                     Give the Israelis some credit. - (marlowe) - (18) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:55:05 PM EDT
                                         I Do - or Did. - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:05:42 PM EDT
                                             So how do we conquer without being, er, "oppressors?" - (marlowe) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:08 PM EDT
                                                 At This Point, Can't Use Nicey Nice - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:02:13 PM EDT
                                                     Gentlemen! - fighting in *The War Room* !? -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:08:57 PM EDT
                                                     So how come it's okay for us to oppress Arabs... - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:13:17 PM EDT
                                                     Re: Wot U R suggesting would greatly expand the problem . - (dmarker2) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:14:50 PM EDT
                                                         Absolutely - (deSitter) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 12:40:53 AM EDT
                                                             Re: I have a perspective on this topic ..... - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:33 AM EDT
                                                                 Can't resist such a pregnant analysis.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:39:25 AM EDT
                                                                     Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:48:59 AM EDT
                                                                         Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:06:38 AM EDT
                                                                 Oh, how Judeo-Christian of you. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:51 AM EDT
                                                                     Re: Yo bro - a good clarification - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:03:23 AM EDT
                                                                     Keep in mind also - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:44:53 AM EDT
                                                                         Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:55:54 AM EDT
                                                                             The spread has been, as with all things - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 01:36:46 PM EDT
                                                                             paganism spreads! - (boxley) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:22:57 PM EDT
                                                                     No - (deSitter) - Oct. 10, 2001, 12:58:36 AM EDT
                                     Yo, potato head... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:34:47 PM EDT
                                         Uh oh, Chrlie and OBL? - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:39:43 PM EDT
                                             LOL!!! By the way, it's a decent comparison? -NT - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:32:20 PM EDT
                                         Well, I Considered It - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:35 PM EDT
                                             So you want >them< to win. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:07:17 PM EDT
                                                 You Missed It Completely - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:22:47 PM EDT
                                             Why is America strong? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:32:57 PM EDT
                                                 Too Bad - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:38:28 PM EDT
                                                     Asbury Park? - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:46:21 PM EDT
                                             Re: Well, I Considered It - (gtall) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EDT
                                             Heads... You win... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:37:47 PM EDT
                                                 Tails, I lose... - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:01:36 PM EDT
                         Similar reservations about timing - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:27:48 AM EDT
                     Of course truth is lost - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:51:32 PM EDT
                         Who said 'new'! merely worth remembering, as the "news" - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:56:12 AM EDT
             Slippery... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:11:18 PM EDT
         We missed? - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:57:25 PM EDT
             I don't think he was the target of this mission. - (brettj) - (36) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:42:33 PM EDT
                 Better he stays alive. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:52:34 PM EDT
                     Re: BEYOND SEP 11: Im still trying to figure out if .... - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 7, 2001, 10:47:53 PM EDT
                         Osama bin Laden is merely the beginning! - (brettj) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:22:44 AM EDT
                             Re: It is what we heard here - Palestinians know ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:15:02 AM EDT
                                 There was a follow-up. OBL never cared about Palestine ... - (brettj) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:10:44 PM EDT
                         Chechnya - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:22:32 PM EDT
                             Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:17:07 PM EDT
                                 Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:54:57 PM EDT
                 Re: Not everyone sees the Taliban as oppressors ... - (dmarker2) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2001, 11:06:35 PM EDT
                     A couple of points. - (brettj) - (21) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:47:33 AM EDT
                         Re: A couple of points. - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EDT
                             TaliBAM - (tablizer) - (19) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:10:05 PM EDT
                                 Re: Taliblame - (dmarker2) - (16) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:58:15 AM EDT
                                     Absolute Bull - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:40:17 AM EDT
                                         Re: Absolute Bull - so you say - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:06:17 AM EDT
                                             That might depend... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:10:09 AM EDT
                                                 Re: First to cast stones - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:04:26 PM EDT
                                             Are you saying then . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:28:49 AM EDT
                                                 Re: Are you saying then . . . - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 07:03:19 PM EDT
                                                     You didn't deal with the main point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Oct. 9, 2001, 09:41:26 PM EDT
                                                         Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:49 PM EDT
                                                             And I say the Taliban's main crime is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 10, 2001, 02:29:47 AM EDT
                                                                 Re: Please humor me on one point ... - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 10, 2001, 03:19:40 AM EDT
                                                                     I remember reading about the story . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:27:54 AM EDT
                                                                         Re: The later facts were damning ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 06:47:54 PM EDT
                                                                             I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:23:16 PM EDT
                                                                                 Re: So be it - (dmarker2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:34:10 PM EDT
                                                         Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:50 PM EDT
                                                             Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder. - (Ashton) - Oct. 10, 2001, 04:04:10 AM EDT
                                 Yeah, but it's *stable* brutality - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:43:46 PM EDT
                                     Knock it off, Private ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:53:54 PM EDT
                     Interview with Pakistan "President"... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:15 AM EDT
                         Re: This guy is very impressive - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:20:24 AM EDT
                             Wishful Thinking - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:11:10 PM EDT
                                 Re: Wishful Thinking - maybe - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:03:32 AM EDT
                     Not everyone sees the world as round. - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:19:21 PM EDT
         Remember from 10/1 - Taliban Leaders: Americans are cowards. - (brettj) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:06:57 PM EDT
         What did we accomplish? - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:23:54 AM EDT
             Knocked out defenses and secured airspace - (kmself) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:16:15 PM EDT
             Carbon-carbon Tomahaw - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:05:13 PM EDT
                 Damned devious. - (addison) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:58:53 PM EDT
         Food and medicine drops? - (wharris2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:33:36 PM EDT

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