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Post #12,431 by JayMehaffey 10/9/01 11:44:53 AM Reply	Keep in mind also Keep in mind also, there where as many kinds of Paganism as there are types of Christians today, if not more. The gnostic mystery cults in particular where very quick to simply blend whatever local beliefs existed into the outer layers of the cult, making virtually every group slightly different in beliefs and practice. Some of the pagan gnostic cults of the middle east already followed the sort of god inside line of thought that Ashton and deSitter follow today. They eventually evolved in the gnostic Christian cults and then where stamped out by the literalist Christians, who have never been good at tolerating other lines of thought. Jay
Post #12,434 by Andrew Grygus 10/9/01 11:55:54 AM Reply	Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. Christianity was originally far more a child of Paganism (using that term as a blanket to cover all non Judeo-Christian religions) than Judaism, incorporating major concepts from the cult of Isis and Osiris, concepts imported from Persia, and possibly even farther. But none of this supported an authoritarian church, so the rabble rousers tacked on the Old Testament to justify their ambitions. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #12,449 by Ashton 10/9/01 1:36:46 PM Reply	The spread has been, as with all things er "helped along" by the evident political desire to corral power (and justify that in a neatly packaged way). Naming a particular celestial Chief Honcho is a 'nice' corollary for submission to the leadership of the local.. Honcho-guy (almost Always a guy, natch) -- umm for our comfort and safety. Isis & Osiris indeed - I like the tree-model a lot better; a more compelling illustration of that mystery we get so massively wrong, so often - love :-) Tiyo Kemosabe... {Mindfucks R'Us}
Post #12,551 by boxley 10/9/01 10:22:57 PM Reply	paganism spreads! legs, but wait that was a long time ago, was it pagans or piegans? mumble, mumble, bikes, colors! Yup Pagans! ]:-> sorry boss couldnt resist thanx, bill What is a user? You mean userid isnt the same as uid?, gid? whats that? I dont understand "ask the requestor to send a non formal email request for ftp access? whaddya mean dean? Halp Iam drowning in Bovine Fecal Matter!!!! Bill

Operation Enduring Freedom begins - (kmself) - (87) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:40:10 PM EDT

And the Taliban pulled out their pre-recorded responses - (Steven A S) - (42) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:58:07 PM EDT

Next, the world will be told . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:30:42 PM EDT

ObL's response gives lie... - (kmself) - (39) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:51:19 PM EDT

Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (Ashton) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:14:17 PM EDT

Re: Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (gtall) - (35) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:07:31 PM EDT

Disagree - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:24:26 PM EDT

Yo, dickhead... Cluestick... - (screamer) - (32) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:00 AM EDT

Yo..Meathead - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:41:56 PM EDT

Give the Israelis some credit. - (marlowe) - (18) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:55:05 PM EDT

I Do - or Did. - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:05:42 PM EDT

So how do we conquer without being, er, "oppressors?" - (marlowe) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:08 PM EDT

At This Point, Can't Use Nicey Nice - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Gentlemen! - fighting in *The War Room* !? -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:08:57 PM EDT

So how come it's okay for us to oppress Arabs... - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:13:17 PM EDT

Re: Wot U R suggesting would greatly expand the problem . - (dmarker2) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:14:50 PM EDT

Absolutely - (deSitter) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 12:40:53 AM EDT

Re: I have a perspective on this topic ..... - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:33 AM EDT

Can't resist such a pregnant analysis.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:39:25 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:48:59 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:06:38 AM EDT

Oh, how Judeo-Christian of you. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:51 AM EDT

Re: Yo bro - a good clarification - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:03:23 AM EDT

Keep in mind also - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:44:53 AM EDT

Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:55:54 AM EDT

The spread has been, as with all things - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 01:36:46 PM EDT

paganism spreads! - (boxley) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:22:57 PM EDT

No - (deSitter) - Oct. 10, 2001, 12:58:36 AM EDT

Yo, potato head... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:34:47 PM EDT

Uh oh, Chrlie and OBL? - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:39:43 PM EDT

LOL!!! By the way, it's a decent comparison? -NT - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:32:20 PM EDT

Well, I Considered It - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:35 PM EDT

So you want >them< to win. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:07:17 PM EDT

You Missed It Completely - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:22:47 PM EDT

Why is America strong? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:32:57 PM EDT

Too Bad - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:38:28 PM EDT

Asbury Park? - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:46:21 PM EDT

Re: Well, I Considered It - (gtall) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EDT

Heads... You win... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:37:47 PM EDT

Tails, I lose... - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:01:36 PM EDT

Similar reservations about timing - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:27:48 AM EDT

Of course truth is lost - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:51:32 PM EDT

Who said 'new'! merely worth remembering, as the "news" - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:56:12 AM EDT

Slippery... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:11:18 PM EDT

We missed? - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:57:25 PM EDT

I don't think he was the target of this mission. - (brettj) - (36) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:42:33 PM EDT

Better he stays alive. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:52:34 PM EDT

Re: BEYOND SEP 11: Im still trying to figure out if .... - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 7, 2001, 10:47:53 PM EDT

Osama bin Laden is merely the beginning! - (brettj) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:22:44 AM EDT

Re: It is what we heard here - Palestinians know ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:15:02 AM EDT

There was a follow-up. OBL never cared about Palestine ... - (brettj) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:10:44 PM EDT

Chechnya - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:22:32 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:17:07 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:54:57 PM EDT

Re: Not everyone sees the Taliban as oppressors ... - (dmarker2) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2001, 11:06:35 PM EDT

A couple of points. - (brettj) - (21) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:47:33 AM EDT

Re: A couple of points. - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EDT

TaliBAM - (tablizer) - (19) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Re: Taliblame - (dmarker2) - (16) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:58:15 AM EDT

Absolute Bull - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:40:17 AM EDT

Re: Absolute Bull - so you say - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:06:17 AM EDT

That might depend... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:10:09 AM EDT

Re: First to cast stones - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:04:26 PM EDT

Are you saying then . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:28:49 AM EDT

Re: Are you saying then . . . - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 07:03:19 PM EDT

You didn't deal with the main point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Oct. 9, 2001, 09:41:26 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:49 PM EDT

And I say the Taliban's main crime is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 10, 2001, 02:29:47 AM EDT

Re: Please humor me on one point ... - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 10, 2001, 03:19:40 AM EDT

I remember reading about the story . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:27:54 AM EDT

Re: The later facts were damning ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 06:47:54 PM EDT

I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:23:16 PM EDT

Re: So be it - (dmarker2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:34:10 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:50 PM EDT

Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder. - (Ashton) - Oct. 10, 2001, 04:04:10 AM EDT

Yeah, but it's *stable* brutality - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:43:46 PM EDT

Knock it off, Private ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:53:54 PM EDT

Interview with Pakistan "President"... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Re: This guy is very impressive - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:20:24 AM EDT

Wishful Thinking - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:11:10 PM EDT

Re: Wishful Thinking - maybe - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:03:32 AM EDT

Not everyone sees the world as round. - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:19:21 PM EDT

Remember from 10/1 - Taliban Leaders: Americans are cowards. - (brettj) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:06:57 PM EDT

What did we accomplish? - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:23:54 AM EDT

Knocked out defenses and secured airspace - (kmself) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:16:15 PM EDT

Carbon-carbon Tomahaw - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:05:13 PM EDT

Damned devious. - (addison) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:58:53 PM EDT

Food and medicine drops? - (wharris2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:33:36 PM EDT

The Doctor is IN.
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