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Post #12,318

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10/8/01 5:37:47 PM

Heads... You win...

I hate getting nasty with ya. It's like fighting my own brother ;-) (which I've been known to do...) . You have no argument with me on any of the points you just made - I agree totally. I still have to disagree about the level of competency at the top though. I just heard that Bush Sr. is extremely involved in this - the strategy, the planning, the implementation... He ain't pretty but he's about the best we got (in the political realm that is) when it comes to getting down and dirty. Of course this is just my opinion and opinions are like....

Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"Putting the fun back into funatic"

Post #12,324

Picture of screamer

10/8/01 6:01:36 PM

Tails, I lose...

In regards to the last post, I should add that I agree with you totally the day after the WTC thing happened. Now that I have had time to really think things through (ie, beyond my anger and emotions), I've changed my mind many times... and as Arkadij has stated, we are all immigrants here except for the native Americans (who most probably are Asians that came across the Aleutian Islands...). If you are a Muslim or Christian, we all came from Adam and Eve. If we are ever to REALLY live in peace, we will need to remember this at all times. We are all brothers and sisters on the planet Earth. We of the genus homo species sapien. Including would be terrorists.

Two days after this event started, I posted a message in the religious forum asking if there was any place for a religion like the Taliban practice in the modern world. I also posted that I don't know if we'll be able to discriminate between Muslims and Muslim fanatics. It is quite clear that the events of the past few weeks demonstrate that we are capable. Bush is dropping food to the oppressed people at the same time he is dropping bombs on the assholes. I can't say that I am happy about the bombs thing, but it is understandable given the circumstances. And the food thing is a pragmatic war tactic, but I also believe it goes deeper than just trying to convert some very confused people by filling their bellies. I am hopeful that now that the "civilized world" is being allowed to clean house, that many of the injustices that exist in countries that we can't even point out on a map (where our business interests run - See the continent of Africa for example), will be put on the world's radar screen and all the Idi Ahmins and Pohl Potts ad nauseum will be told to quit hurting our fellow human beings... It's a nice dream.

And maybe then, just then, people won't have to leave their homelands in search of a "better life". They can find it right where they are.

Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"Putting the fun back into funatic"

Operation Enduring Freedom begins - (kmself) - (87) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:40:10 PM EDT

And the Taliban pulled out their pre-recorded responses - (Steven A S) - (42) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:58:07 PM EDT

Next, the world will be told . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:30:42 PM EDT

ObL's response gives lie... - (kmself) - (39) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:51:19 PM EDT

Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (Ashton) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:14:17 PM EDT

Re: Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (gtall) - (35) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:07:31 PM EDT

Disagree - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:24:26 PM EDT

Yo, dickhead... Cluestick... - (screamer) - (32) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:00 AM EDT

Yo..Meathead - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:41:56 PM EDT

Give the Israelis some credit. - (marlowe) - (18) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:55:05 PM EDT

I Do - or Did. - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:05:42 PM EDT

So how do we conquer without being, er, "oppressors?" - (marlowe) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:08 PM EDT

At This Point, Can't Use Nicey Nice - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Gentlemen! - fighting in *The War Room* !? -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:08:57 PM EDT

So how come it's okay for us to oppress Arabs... - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:13:17 PM EDT

Re: Wot U R suggesting would greatly expand the problem . - (dmarker2) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:14:50 PM EDT

Absolutely - (deSitter) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 12:40:53 AM EDT

Re: I have a perspective on this topic ..... - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:33 AM EDT

Can't resist such a pregnant analysis.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:39:25 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:48:59 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:06:38 AM EDT

Oh, how Judeo-Christian of you. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:51 AM EDT

Re: Yo bro - a good clarification - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:03:23 AM EDT

Keep in mind also - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:44:53 AM EDT

Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:55:54 AM EDT

The spread has been, as with all things - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 01:36:46 PM EDT

paganism spreads! - (boxley) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:22:57 PM EDT

No - (deSitter) - Oct. 10, 2001, 12:58:36 AM EDT

Yo, potato head... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:34:47 PM EDT

Uh oh, Chrlie and OBL? - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:39:43 PM EDT

LOL!!! By the way, it's a decent comparison? -NT - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:32:20 PM EDT

Well, I Considered It - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:35 PM EDT

So you want >them< to win. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:07:17 PM EDT

You Missed It Completely - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:22:47 PM EDT

Why is America strong? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:32:57 PM EDT

Too Bad - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:38:28 PM EDT

Asbury Park? - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:46:21 PM EDT

Re: Well, I Considered It - (gtall) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EDT

Heads... You win... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:37:47 PM EDT

Tails, I lose... - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:01:36 PM EDT

Similar reservations about timing - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:27:48 AM EDT

Of course truth is lost - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:51:32 PM EDT

Who said 'new'! merely worth remembering, as the "news" - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:56:12 AM EDT

Slippery... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:11:18 PM EDT

We missed? - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:57:25 PM EDT

I don't think he was the target of this mission. - (brettj) - (36) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:42:33 PM EDT

Better he stays alive. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:52:34 PM EDT

Re: BEYOND SEP 11: Im still trying to figure out if .... - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 7, 2001, 10:47:53 PM EDT

Osama bin Laden is merely the beginning! - (brettj) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:22:44 AM EDT

Re: It is what we heard here - Palestinians know ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:15:02 AM EDT

There was a follow-up. OBL never cared about Palestine ... - (brettj) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:10:44 PM EDT

Chechnya - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:22:32 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:17:07 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:54:57 PM EDT

Re: Not everyone sees the Taliban as oppressors ... - (dmarker2) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2001, 11:06:35 PM EDT

A couple of points. - (brettj) - (21) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:47:33 AM EDT

Re: A couple of points. - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EDT

TaliBAM - (tablizer) - (19) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Re: Taliblame - (dmarker2) - (16) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:58:15 AM EDT

Absolute Bull - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:40:17 AM EDT

Re: Absolute Bull - so you say - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:06:17 AM EDT

That might depend... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:10:09 AM EDT

Re: First to cast stones - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:04:26 PM EDT

Are you saying then . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:28:49 AM EDT

Re: Are you saying then . . . - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 07:03:19 PM EDT

You didn't deal with the main point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Oct. 9, 2001, 09:41:26 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:49 PM EDT

And I say the Taliban's main crime is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 10, 2001, 02:29:47 AM EDT

Re: Please humor me on one point ... - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 10, 2001, 03:19:40 AM EDT

I remember reading about the story . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:27:54 AM EDT

Re: The later facts were damning ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 06:47:54 PM EDT

I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:23:16 PM EDT

Re: So be it - (dmarker2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:34:10 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:50 PM EDT

Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder. - (Ashton) - Oct. 10, 2001, 04:04:10 AM EDT

Yeah, but it's *stable* brutality - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:43:46 PM EDT

Knock it off, Private ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:53:54 PM EDT

Interview with Pakistan "President"... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Re: This guy is very impressive - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:20:24 AM EDT

Wishful Thinking - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:11:10 PM EDT

Re: Wishful Thinking - maybe - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:03:32 AM EDT

Not everyone sees the world as round. - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:19:21 PM EDT

Remember from 10/1 - Taliban Leaders: Americans are cowards. - (brettj) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:06:57 PM EDT

What did we accomplish? - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:23:54 AM EDT

Knocked out defenses and secured airspace - (kmself) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:16:15 PM EDT

Carbon-carbon Tomahaw - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:05:13 PM EDT

Damned devious. - (addison) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:58:53 PM EDT

Food and medicine drops? - (wharris2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:33:36 PM EDT

I don't think you're happy enough!
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