So you want >them< to win.

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Post #12,274

by bepatient

10/8/01 2:07:17 PM

So you want >them< to win.

Its our freedom their after.

And you want to hand it to them.

Kick out all them goddamned foreigners. Anybody named Abdullah is not allowed to fly. CIA and NSA can have absolute authority to monitor every citizen without just cause or even slight suspicion.

I'm glas you're not in charge...unfortunately there's senior leadership that seems to think that civil liberties are a "threat to national security"...just like you do.

damned sad, if you ask me.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson}

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Post #12,277

by deSitter

10/8/01 2:22:47 PM

You Missed It Completely

I want OUR liberties defended with great vigor. I want to deny them THEIR liberties. I want the CIA and NSA to have the legal authority to interdict assholes all over the globe without even having to think twice.

They can't get our freedom unless we hand it to them. Turning ourselves into a police state, where a little old matron with a cooler of Doc Otis has to be searched before entering a stadium, is not my idea of freedom. We have one huge advantage - we are thousands of miles from most of the world assholes. So we eject everyone who can't trace his family to George Washington or Sacajaweia. Case closed, no more worries about mujahedeen on our airplanes. Harsh but necessary. The ejectees are welcome to return to their home states and set up friendly, civilized governments.

"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by make the other poor bastard die for his." - GS Patton

Operation Enduring Freedom begins - (kmself) - (87) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:40:10 PM EDT

And the Taliban pulled out their pre-recorded responses - (Steven A S) - (42) - Oct. 7, 2001, 02:58:07 PM EDT

Next, the world will be told . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:30:42 PM EDT

ObL's response gives lie... - (kmself) - (39) - Oct. 7, 2001, 03:51:19 PM EDT

Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (Ashton) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:14:17 PM EDT

Re: Recall though: first casualty in *every war* is Truth. - (gtall) - (35) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:07:31 PM EDT

Disagree - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:24:26 PM EDT

Yo, dickhead... Cluestick... - (screamer) - (32) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:00 AM EDT

Yo..Meathead - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:41:56 PM EDT

Give the Israelis some credit. - (marlowe) - (18) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:55:05 PM EDT

I Do - or Did. - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:05:42 PM EDT

So how do we conquer without being, er, "oppressors?" - (marlowe) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:08 PM EDT

At This Point, Can't Use Nicey Nice - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Gentlemen! - fighting in *The War Room* !? -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:08:57 PM EDT

So how come it's okay for us to oppress Arabs... - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:13:17 PM EDT

Re: Wot U R suggesting would greatly expand the problem . - (dmarker2) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:14:50 PM EDT

Absolutely - (deSitter) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 12:40:53 AM EDT

Re: I have a perspective on this topic ..... - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:33 AM EDT

Can't resist such a pregnant analysis.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:39:25 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:48:59 AM EDT

Re: Isn't India enigmatic - idols & visions ... - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:06:38 AM EDT

Oh, how Judeo-Christian of you. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:51 AM EDT

Re: Yo bro - a good clarification - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:03:23 AM EDT

Keep in mind also - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:44:53 AM EDT

Indeed yes - Paganism encourages diversity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:55:54 AM EDT

The spread has been, as with all things - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 01:36:46 PM EDT

paganism spreads! - (boxley) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:22:57 PM EDT

No - (deSitter) - Oct. 10, 2001, 12:58:36 AM EDT

Yo, potato head... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:34:47 PM EDT

Uh oh, Chrlie and OBL? - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:39:43 PM EDT

LOL!!! By the way, it's a decent comparison? -NT - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:32:20 PM EDT

Well, I Considered It - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:57:35 PM EDT

So you want >them< to win. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:07:17 PM EDT

You Missed It Completely - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2001, 02:22:47 PM EDT

Why is America strong? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:32:57 PM EDT

Too Bad - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:38:28 PM EDT

Asbury Park? - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:46:21 PM EDT

Re: Well, I Considered It - (gtall) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EDT

Heads... You win... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:37:47 PM EDT

Tails, I lose... - (screamer) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:01:36 PM EDT

Similar reservations about timing - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:27:48 AM EDT

Of course truth is lost - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2001, 07:51:32 PM EDT

Who said 'new'! merely worth remembering, as the "news" - (Ashton) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:56:12 AM EDT

Slippery... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:11:18 PM EDT

We missed? - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 7, 2001, 05:57:25 PM EDT

I don't think he was the target of this mission. - (brettj) - (36) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:42:33 PM EDT

Better he stays alive. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:52:34 PM EDT

Re: BEYOND SEP 11: Im still trying to figure out if .... - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 7, 2001, 10:47:53 PM EDT

Osama bin Laden is merely the beginning! - (brettj) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:22:44 AM EDT

Re: It is what we heard here - Palestinians know ... - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:15:02 AM EDT

There was a follow-up. OBL never cared about Palestine ... - (brettj) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:10:44 PM EDT

Chechnya - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:22:32 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 07:17:07 PM EDT

Re: Chechnya - Phase I then II - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:54:57 PM EDT

Re: Not everyone sees the Taliban as oppressors ... - (dmarker2) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2001, 11:06:35 PM EDT

A couple of points. - (brettj) - (21) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:47:33 AM EDT

Re: A couple of points. - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EDT

TaliBAM - (tablizer) - (19) - Oct. 8, 2001, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Re: Taliblame - (dmarker2) - (16) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:58:15 AM EDT

Absolute Bull - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:40:17 AM EDT

Re: Absolute Bull - so you say - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:06:17 AM EDT

That might depend... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:10:09 AM EDT

Re: First to cast stones - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:04:26 PM EDT

Are you saying then . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:28:49 AM EDT

Re: Are you saying then . . . - (dmarker2) - (10) - Oct. 9, 2001, 07:03:19 PM EDT

You didn't deal with the main point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Oct. 9, 2001, 09:41:26 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:49 PM EDT

And I say the Taliban's main crime is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 10, 2001, 02:29:47 AM EDT

Re: Please humor me on one point ... - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 10, 2001, 03:19:40 AM EDT

I remember reading about the story . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:27:54 AM EDT

Re: The later facts were damning ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 06:47:54 PM EDT

I am sorry, it has achieved nothing here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:23:16 PM EDT

Re: So be it - (dmarker2) - Oct. 10, 2001, 11:34:10 PM EDT

Re: What point ? - (dmarker2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 11:01:50 PM EDT

Well, I recall - and an appropriate reminder. - (Ashton) - Oct. 10, 2001, 04:04:10 AM EDT

Yeah, but it's *stable* brutality - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:43:46 PM EDT

Knock it off, Private ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:53:54 PM EDT

Interview with Pakistan "President"... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Re: This guy is very impressive - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:20:24 AM EDT

Wishful Thinking - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 01:11:10 PM EDT

Re: Wishful Thinking - maybe - (dmarker2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 03:03:32 AM EDT

Not everyone sees the world as round. - (marlowe) - Oct. 8, 2001, 12:19:21 PM EDT

Remember from 10/1 - Taliban Leaders: Americans are cowards. - (brettj) - Oct. 7, 2001, 06:06:57 PM EDT

What did we accomplish? - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:23:54 AM EDT

Knocked out defenses and secured airspace - (kmself) - Oct. 8, 2001, 05:16:15 PM EDT

Carbon-carbon Tomahaw - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:05:13 PM EDT

Damned devious. - (addison) - Oct. 8, 2001, 09:58:53 PM EDT

Food and medicine drops? - (wharris2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 11:33:36 PM EDT

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