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New There are many ways to correlate online information

All that's needed is a piece of information that ties to other pieces of information. In the case of online transactions, CC numbers, cookies, or other submissions of email addresses can be used. These can be correlated by the primary marketer, or by corrolation services. For the purposes of email mass-mailings, a relatively low probability of a direct match is likely acceptable.

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It's for this and other reasons that I minimize the amount of business I transact online, and the amount of data I permit to be emitted. My cookies file lists 27 entries, and only 13 sites. My cookies permission file lists over 1690 sites -- these are sites which for the most part aren't allowed to set cookies. Yes, it means there are parts of the Web that don't work for me (or don't work in my primary browser -- Washington Post, for example, is accessible in lynx). I can live with the trade-off. The data are virtually always available elsewhere.

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This isn't a perfect method, but it slows the bastards down.

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New Re: There are many ways to correlate online information
We delete our cookies every time we exit Opera, and often other times as well. We set no cookies are permanent. :)

Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"

Comment by Nightowl
New Opera cookie management

Take a look at your security settings. I believe you can make this easier on yourself.

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First, many user-oriented browsers -- that is, anything NOT shipped by Microsoft or AOL to provide marketing channels -- offer some very strong security/privacy options. Check with Wade, resident Opera snob (well, at least the browser, not sure about the performances...) for specifics.

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You should be able to specify, on a per-site basis:

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  • No cookies. The site cannot set or query a cookie.
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  • Session cookies. The site can set a cookie which will last only for the duration of your session. If you ever look at cookie data, you'll find that many want to persist for years, decades, or even centuries. Sorry, you don't need to track me that long.
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  • Permanent cookies. The site can set a cookie persisting beyond the end of the current session.
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My own browser only lets me specify permanent or no cookies. More recent versions of Mozilla aka Firebird, allow setting session cookies. I allow permanent cookies for sites which use/require a login, in some cases, though the local login manager covers for this in most cases. Allowing session cookies would allow pretty much all sites which use cookies to track session state to work, but keep them from snooping on you cross-session. Note that if you allow both types of cookies among a set of sites which pool cookie information (add / banner sites and credit-card processing sites are examples), it's still possible to corrolate information.

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But at least you should be able to set preferences so your tools are doing what you want without requiring you delete all cookies after each session, and without loosing the (very few) possibly useful cookies you might want to keep around.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Re: Opera cookie management
John said I should clarify this, better.

Opera is set up to delete all new cookies upon exit, it isn't something I have to do manually. However, we save no cookies, so it pretty much deletes all cookies.

He sometimes does it manually, but that's to clear it for me to log back in.

John said there are no sites where we need a "permanent" cookie to remain permanent. There are sites where Opera sets a "permanent" cookie to let me use the site, such as the LA times, but then when Opera exits it still deletes it, and then next time I visit it it resets another permanent cookie.

I tend to get online and stay on all day, as a rule, not exiting Opera that often, so all my sites work that need cookies.

We tend to stay away from sites that rely on information based on a cookie.. I.e. I got off a forum site that needed my cookie for me to know new posts and such, which is one reason I really appreciate and like Iwethey, because it does not rely on cookies.

Another reason we don't like to rely on sites which need cookies to identify us, is because we switch browsers frequently and are two different people, and John even uses two different computers. So in that environment, John says cookies don't function well.

I don't know if that explains it all, cookies are a little greek to me. ;)

Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"

Comment by Nightowl
     Is Walgreen's selling customer data? - (deSitter) - (22)
         Have you scanned Web for info on Vicodin? - (a6l6e6x)
         Looks like it. They've been sued for it. - (kmself) - (4)
             Re: Looks like it. They've been sued for it. - (deSitter) - (3)
                 What do you want to do? - (kmself) - (2)
                     Re: What do you want to do? - (deSitter) - (1)
                         War for Privacy... - (kmself)
         Spam? Hell, could'a been four hots and a cot - (kmself)
         Getting a zillion lately but never had an rx -NT - (andread) - (14)
             Re: Getting a zillion lately but never had an rx - (Nightowl) - (13)
                 The only way Walgreens can get your email - (orion) - (12)
                     Re: The only way Walgreens can get your email - (Nightowl)
                     Sure they can - (deSitter) - (6)
                         Did you give Walgreen's your email? - (orion) - (3)
                             Re: Did you give Walgreen's your email? - (Nightowl) - (2)
                                 Why would Walgreens sell info to a competitor? - (orion) - (1)
                                     I would imagine it would be for the money. -NT - (jake123)
                         Well, there's your answer - (jake123) - (1)
                             Yes, Yahoo does use Beacons and tracking cookies - (orion)
                     There are many ways to correlate online information - (kmself) - (3)
                         Re: There are many ways to correlate online information - (Nightowl) - (2)
                             Opera cookie management - (kmself) - (1)
                                 Re: Opera cookie management - (Nightowl)

dude...?
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