Post #117,841
9/15/03 11:12:46 AM
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That settles it...Israel has gone off the deep end.
[link|http://www.iht.com/articles/109943.html|Herald Tribune] "The question is: How are we going to do it? Expulsion is certainly one of the options, and killing is also one of the options," he said. "In my eyes, from a moral point of view, this is no different than the eliminations of others who were involved in activating acts of terror." The man's already marginalized. What would killing him accomplish other than to incite a futher wave of terror? Arafat is best left alone...expelled from the process entirely. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #117,842
9/15/03 11:32:04 AM
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Interesting reasons from Powell
"The United States does not support either the elimination of him or the exile of Mr. Arafat," Secretary of State Colin Powell told "Fox News Sunday" in an interview from Baghdad. "I think you can anticipate that there would be rage throughout the Arab world, the Muslim world, and in many other parts of the world." He's not saying we disagree, just that it would anger the Arab world. But hmmm ... weren't there people saying the same thing before Bush took out Saddam? And for another parallel to Saddam:
Amin Abbasi, a businessman, has visited the compound for each of the last four days, bringing his wife and four children, ages 4 to 12, at various times.
"You will find people here who don't support the policies of Mr. Arafat," said Abbasi, 44. "But as Palestinians, we feel we must defend our president and tell the world that nobody can force us to change our leader."
Why do we seem to recognize this when Isreal tries to do it, but not when we want to do it? ===
Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
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Post #117,843
9/15/03 11:32:09 AM
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If he is so marginalized,
why would his killing incite another wave of terror?
While I agree that killing of Arafat would be extremely dumb, I have to say that Arafat still more or less in control of PA. All this business with "prime ministers" was just smoke and mirrors.
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Post #117,860
9/15/03 1:31:10 PM
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No...
Because if Israel wanted him dead, they simply would've dropped a bomb on him.
What they're doing is asking "Why can't we simply kill him"?
The nasty part is - as Drew pointed out - hasn't the White House kind of done that with Saddam?
Of course, we haven't gotten fake reports of Arafat trying to buy African Enriched Uranium...but if someone wants to slip me a few thou...I'll be happy to type something up.
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Post #117,867
9/15/03 2:50:22 PM
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And just as fast...
comes the [link|http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/15/mideast.arafat/index.html|(we didn't mean it) retraction]. Killing Arafat "is not the official policy of the Israeli government," Shalom said. "It was never before, and we don't speak about any killing, we didn't speak about it before, and we don't speak about it today." If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #117,921
9/16/03 8:26:56 AM
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Arafat is a conundrum for Israel.
Murdering him would martyr him. That's not a good idea. Israel could not possibly fail to know that, so they can't be serious. Unfortunately, discussing the option is likely to endear him to the Arabs with the disadvantage that he's still alive...
Arafat needs to be discredited in the eyes of the Arab world, or at least in the eyes of the Palestinian Arabs. Why is this? Democracy in Palestine is hard to achieve because Arafat is loathe to relinquish control. He also stands for throwing out the Israelis, implicitly if not explicitly, which is why Israel don't like him. They've been trying to sideline him for years, with uncertain success.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
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Post #117,946
9/16/03 11:29:38 AM
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OTOH
if you think your electoral success needs a Big Bad Palestinian in order to drive the voters to the L&O party, playing it this way might actually make sense.
In a twisted sort of way.
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Post #117,927
9/16/03 9:08:53 AM
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Its not wrong to kill him
Just have to do it so it looks natural, Its just wrong to get blamed for it. Thats the problem.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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Post #117,931
9/16/03 9:40:04 AM
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True enough...
...You're only guilty if you get caught, after all.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #117,952
9/16/03 2:12:18 PM
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What works for me.
Tie Sharon and Arafat back to back. Put a .45 bullet through Arafat's forehead. Some happiness for everyone.
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #117,968
9/16/03 6:13:04 PM
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Can you feel the love?
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- The United States vetoed a U.N. resolution Tuesday that would have demanded Israel halt threats to expel Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat. [link|http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/16/mideast/index.html|http://www.cnn.com/2...ideast/index.html] We just can't do enough to get the UN and the Arab world to love us, can we? bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
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Post #118,003
9/17/03 10:03:19 AM
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Re: Can you feel the love?
President Carter was on NPR this AM talking about these things on the 25th anniversary of Camp David. He said the current US-sponsored "roadmap" contains specific language to the effect that Israel won't remove people from the west bank/gaza.
In accordance with the "tone" that has existed in the Bush White House since 2001, I expect someone in the administration will claim we vetoed this UN resolution because it was already in the roadmap.
Giovanni
I'm not a complete idiot -- some parts are missing
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Post #118,005
9/17/03 10:29:56 AM
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read a time magazine piece on the camp david accords
a fellow by the name of Barak was saying they should remove the settlements then because 10k people wouldnt be that uprooted, 20+ years and 200k+ settlers later :(
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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Post #118,068
9/17/03 10:50:32 PM
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Settlements in Egyptian territory were dismantled back then.
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #118,108
9/18/03 11:16:38 AM
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Yeah, expel him from the process without killing him.
Oh, wait. We want him to *stay* expelled. Guess we'll have to kill the ugly little bastard. Either that, or expel his whole base of support. Which would be very imperialist and very messy. These people don't come along quietly.
No matter how you go about it, you're looking at lots of deaths. But we've already got lots of deaths, and no end in sight. So lots of deaths with some hope of an eventual end to it would be a huge step up. Especially because this time it'll be mostly the guilty who get blown up.
And no, I haven't forgotten about Saddam or bin Laden. Or Kim Jong-Il. Or de Villepin, for that matter. Or Whitey Bulger. But we need to... Be Patient.
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Post #118,170
9/18/03 9:45:44 PM
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Talk?! No, Mr. Arafat, I want you to *die*.
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