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New OK, guess my lore is now obsolete -
We can all run the approx #s though, for a given frontal area and its shape, and see just how much %-HP increase to go from a mere 150 - 180 [!! - seems surreal, that].

Academic for moi; reaction-time and prolly G-sensor in middle-ear - out of calibration. But then, straight line.. who needs sensors. So if I get the chance.

Finally, when dream-designing (where the power unit emulates a steam engine with max torque at 0-rpm): I still believe that for humans: lighter is Better all around. Became such a believer when borrowing a friend's ~ 280# Velocette IIRC. Imagining if it had the torque of the Vin vee, etc. Fershure it's right as the curves become tighter and more varied; you can then use your own weight (greater %-total) to manhandle through difficulties. 500# is just an inherent handicap, something I verify from simple experience. Even the ~420# KZ-550, with near the HP of a Shadow, but nothing like the torque -- IS too heavy.

Guess I'm a bit surprised that this principle (if it is one) or at least the aim to test it - hasn't produced some light machines with ~ power/wt of the monsters. Problem always Is the nature of this ancient engine design, now pushed to maximize selling-hype for mere HP. 10,000 RPM is no place to have to go for that power. TORQUE is what you always want, and with enough power to approach traction limit.

Oh well.. some future power source shall eventually achieve this, with feedback control of the torque response One Likes. Yup - it'll still be the most fun you can have except the obv.


Ashton
satisfied enough - but there's always Better.
Until escape velocity is at your twist-grip ;) the flying cycle, in low earth orbit.
3-D At Last
New Re: OK, guess my lore is now obsolete -
Yes indeed, torque is what you want! The FJ1200 is topped only by the show-off, unstable, unrideable V-Max in torque, even among modern bikes. It has to be experienced to be believed. That is why is has such a loyal following - a classic known only to serious riders.

The 130hp engine is still in production and is used in some off-formula road course racers. We call it "the lump". It makes "agricultural noises" at idle, growls through 3k, evens out at 4k, and sings like a bird above 5k. The note and power are so sweet that you tend to keep it in 4th with the revs jacked, and only go to 5th for lazy cruises.
-drl
     Highest on-ground speed - (Silverlock) - (28)
         Highest on-water speed - (jake123)
         120 indicated, 1970 GTO. 6 people in car... #105985 - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Haven't talked to her about it. - (admin)
         2 and 4 wheels - (Steve Lowe)
         In the neighborhood of 30 mph... - (kmself) - (4)
             ROFL -NT - (Silverlock)
             OK, actuals... - (kmself) - (2)
                 last one is the scariest -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                     No, the first - (kmself)
         I'm outclassed. - (static)
         Driving on the Autobahn - (tjsinclair) - (1)
             Ditto in my Citr\ufffden at ~ speed: Ferrari! blew past >+60mph -NT - (Ashton)
         on X wheels: - (folkert) - (10)
             180 *Suzuki* ? - (Ashton) - (9)
                 Friend has FZR1000... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                     No question - (deSitter) - (2)
                         OK, guess my lore is now obsolete - - (Ashton) - (1)
                             Re: OK, guess my lore is now obsolete - - (deSitter)
                 Unmodded bike speeds - (scoenye) - (4)
                     Was wondering when this was going to be asked - (folkert) - (2)
                         Heh.. sorry, I Shoulda Known - (Ashton) - (1)
                             Looks like I'm wrong again! - (deSitter)
                     Re: Unmodded bike speeds - (deSitter)
         197x porche carrera on track 180 - (boxley)
         Re: Highest on-ground speed - (orion)
         Hmmm... - (Yendor)
         Only 110, but . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         Re: Highest on-ground speed - (bepatient)

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