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New People buying the software...
The Managers and Directors and Vice Presidents want some things.

They want to ignore that fact that computer programmers are professionals.

Commercial software developers tell the buyers that their software will "revolutionize" the industry. I've heard it for almost two decades now. They promise that companies won't need programmers anymore. Business analysts will be able to "do most of the work", and you'll only need programmers for the last little bit.

And funny, they appear to almost accomplish it, when new technologies come along and make everyone start over again.

Back in the MS DOS days, Clipper was a pretty good non-programmer environment. Paradox was too. But, people would always stretch the tools to the limit, and then drop into programming to accomplish the last part.

If you're doing something significant, you need a large database and a server system. You can't do it on Clipper or VB or Delphi or even JBuilder. Even though people are telling you, I'm not even sure you can really do it in EJB's. But maybe you can if you decide to purchase a lot of hardware.

A GUI development tool will allow a non-programmer to get so far. IDEs facilitate that. But you need a programmer to give you the last 30-40%. The back-end server stuff.

BEA/IBM and other middleware vendors are now trying to "GUI-ize" the back end, the server part, which is usually written in a high performance language with a high performance database. EJB's are a start. And I think Web Services are another attempt. Will they succeed? I don't know. Back in my Tuxedo days, we were trying to do the same thing with InConcert, a workflow tool BEA bought from Xerox. Make a GUI that builds and exports "services", that seems to be the mantra right now.

My thoughts are you don't need BEA or IBM's GUI tools. You need some good developers. And a good Code Editor or IDE tool (but don't promise pointy clicky with it).

Glen Austin
New And the congregation said:
AMEN!!!!!
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     Care to be quotable on code editors? - (slugbug) - (75)
         Sounds like you want to talk to our admin. - (Another Scott) - (6)
             I'll give it a shot - (tjsinclair) - (5)
                 Thanks.... - (slugbug) - (4)
                     Teaching is a slightly different issue - (tjsinclair)
                     Teaching - use whatever you like - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                         I do that as well - (tjsinclair)
                         rofl - (deSitter)
         Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (deSitter) - (3)
             no blame here.... - (slugbug) - (2)
                 of course! - (deSitter) - (1)
                     rofl -NT - (slugbug)
         Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (gdaustin) - (9)
             I diverged. Here's the list. - (gdaustin) - (1)
                 This is great...thank you! -NT - (slugbug)
             great input...compare utilities? - (slugbug) - (6)
                 Compare Utilities - (gdaustin) - (4)
                     On Second Thought - (gdaustin) - (3)
                         Ok either way.... -NT - (slugbug) - (2)
                             How far out is the article? - (gdaustin) - (1)
                                 It running.... - (slugbug)
                 opendiff on OS X is the best I've ever used - (tuberculosis)
         OK - (tuberculosis) - (5)
             best tool for the job.... - (slugbug) - (4)
                 Debuggers... - (admin) - (1)
                     I really need one - (tuberculosis)
                 PB stops working on projects above a certain size - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                     Often overlooked - (deSitter)
         2c deposited... - (static) - (4)
             deposit accepted :-) - (slugbug) - (3)
                 Gotta think about that... - (static)
                 Quoting okay. - (static) - (1)
                     Thanks very much! -NT - (slugbug)
         I'll come back to this, but... - (admin) - (2)
             so, maybe there is a more fundamental question.... - (slugbug) - (1)
                 That's a physical description... - (admin)
         I use Emacs, - (Arkadiy) - (3)
             but, but, but.... - (slugbug) - (2)
                 Data point: - (admin)
                 I will let you know in 4 years :) - (Arkadiy)
         Well in a Windows World... - (folkert) - (2)
             Forgot that one... - (slugbug) - (1)
                 Yes I meant Fast.... - (folkert)
         My necessities - (ChrisR) - (2)
             good info... - (slugbug) - (1)
                 The problem I have with most IDE editors is the keymapping - (admin)
         And the answer is... - (admin) - (24)
             So.... - (slugbug) - (22)
                 Re: So.... - (admin) - (20)
                     Appropriate title? - (ChrisR) - (1)
                         No.... for you, it's "Sir". ;-) -NT - (admin)
                     titles, brilliant kids, and comparing programmers..... - (slugbug) - (10)
                         Pointy clicky... - (admin) - (5)
                             Definitely with Scott on this one... - (gdaustin) - (4)
                                 Disagree RE GUI development - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     I like your Law so much I twikified it. - (FuManChu) - (1)
                                         heh - cool -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                 What he said... - (slugbug)
                         People buying the software... - (gdaustin) - (1)
                             And the congregation said: - (folkert)
                         Of Mice and Programmers... - (static)
                         Well, then in THAT case - (FuManChu)
                     Re: So.... - (deSitter) - (3)
                         Nope. - (admin)
                         Re: So.... - (JimWeirich)
                         I modified the code... - (gdaustin)
                     Scott... - (slugbug) - (2)
                         Re: Scott... - (admin) - (1)
                             thanks... - (slugbug)
                 Re: So.... - (gdaustin)
             I'm still a vim man...but I respect what emacs can do. - (Simon_Jester)
         emacs and visual slickedit - (hnick) - (1)
             Split-screen is nice in a text environment too... -NT - (admin)
         Aww, c'mon. This is always how the wars start! - (broomberg) - (1)
             Yeah, forgot about paren automatch. - (admin)
         Are there still people who work without syntax coloring? - (drewk)

Many of the dead have finished being dead without the assistance of medical staff or fancy equipment. It would be good if people could help with the swift opening of bags that are wiggling and/or noisy.
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