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Post #114,373
by slugbug
8/19/03 4:46:48 PM
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New good info...
...I especially like this comment:

"The editors in most IDE's suck, not nearly packed with enough features, but not easy to manipulate text either. Most have good syntax highlighting and the fonts can be manipulated. But the regexp engines are ugly, the column based editing is clumsy, and the macro facilities are pitiful."

Thank you,
-Slugbug
Post #114,374
by admin
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8/19/03 4:49:54 PM
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New The problem I have with most IDE editors is the keymapping
They all claim to have "emacs style editing", but none of them do it quite right. This comes of not having the basic editing constructs (point and mark, kill ring, etc.) that emacs has. Or they just get the emulation wrong. There's nothing worse than jumping into an editor expecting that the editing keys work exactly like what you're used to, then getting tripped up because, for example, the kill key doesn't just kill to end of line on the first use (this is an actual example from JBuilder in emacs mode, IIRC).
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
     Care to be quotable on code editors? - (slugbug) - (75) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:15:05 PM EDT
         Sounds like you want to talk to our admin. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:26:36 PM EDT
             I'll give it a shot - (tjsinclair) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 01:08:46 AM EDT
                 Thanks.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:51:26 PM EDT
                     Teaching is a slightly different issue - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:19 PM EDT
                     Teaching - use whatever you like - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:47:24 AM EDT
                         I do that as well - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:47:58 PM EDT
                         rofl - (deSitter) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:46:22 PM EDT
         Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:54:16 AM EDT
             no blame here.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:54:46 PM EDT
                 of course! - (deSitter) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:43:52 PM EDT
                     rofl -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:41:58 PM EDT
         Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (gdaustin) - (9) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:56:56 AM EDT
             I diverged. Here's the list. - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:04:59 AM EDT
                 This is great...thank you! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:07:02 PM EDT
             great input...compare utilities? - (slugbug) - (6) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:05:40 PM EDT
                 Compare Utilities - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:25:42 PM EDT
                     On Second Thought - (gdaustin) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:01 PM EDT
                         Ok either way.... -NT - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:58:04 PM EDT
                             How far out is the article? - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:00:18 PM EDT
                                 It running.... - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:57:03 PM EDT
                 opendiff on OS X is the best I've ever used - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:12:12 PM EDT
         OK - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:37:25 AM EDT
             best tool for the job.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:13:51 PM EDT
                 Debuggers... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:11 PM EDT
                     I really need one - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:00:54 PM EDT
                 PB stops working on projects above a certain size - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:08:32 PM EDT
                     Often overlooked - (deSitter) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:52 PM EDT
         2c deposited... - (static) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:58:58 AM EDT
             deposit accepted :-) - (slugbug) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:01 PM EDT
                 Gotta think about that... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:03:53 AM EDT
                 Quoting okay. - (static) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:57:27 PM EDT
                     Thanks very much! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 10:20:43 AM EDT
         I'll come back to this, but... - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 08:13:51 AM EDT
             so, maybe there is a more fundamental question.... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:30:52 PM EDT
                 That's a physical description... - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:39:22 PM EDT
         I use Emacs, - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:10:17 AM EDT
             but, but, but.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:37:54 PM EDT
                 Data point: - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:43:14 PM EDT
                 I will let you know in 4 years :) - (Arkadiy) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:52:54 PM EDT
         Well in a Windows World... - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:37 PM EDT
             Forgot that one... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:39 PM EDT
                 Yes I meant Fast.... - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:54:35 PM EDT
         My necessities - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:02:57 AM EDT
             good info... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:46:48 PM EDT
                 The problem I have with most IDE editors is the keymapping - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:49:54 PM EDT
         And the answer is... - (admin) - (24) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:42:35 AM EDT
             So.... - (slugbug) - (22) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:54:15 PM EDT
                 Re: So.... - (admin) - (20) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:04:33 PM EDT
                     Appropriate title? - (ChrisR) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:21:53 PM EDT
                         No.... for you, it's "Sir". ;-) -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:24:28 PM EDT
                     titles, brilliant kids, and comparing programmers..... - (slugbug) - (10) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:12:40 PM EDT
                         Pointy clicky... - (admin) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:31:21 PM EDT
                             Definitely with Scott on this one... - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:18:17 PM EDT
                                 Disagree RE GUI development - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:29:04 AM EDT
                                     I like your Law so much I twikified it. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 05:08:37 PM EDT
                                         heh - cool -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:42:36 PM EDT
                                 What he said... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:02:42 AM EDT
                         People buying the software... - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:45:54 PM EDT
                             And the congregation said: - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:50:10 PM EDT
                         Of Mice and Programmers... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:24:34 AM EDT
                         Well, then in THAT case - (FuManChu) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:03:50 AM EDT
                     Re: So.... - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:24:54 PM EDT
                         Nope. - (admin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:58:42 AM EDT
                         Re: So.... - (JimWeirich) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:18:59 AM EDT
                         I modified the code... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:40:03 PM EDT
                     Scott... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:07:44 AM EDT
                         Re: Scott... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:24:31 AM EDT
                             thanks... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 03:54:18 PM EDT
                 Re: So.... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:09:45 PM EDT
             I'm still a vim man...but I respect what emacs can do. - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 21, 2003, 10:25:35 PM EDT
         emacs and visual slickedit - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:38:01 PM EDT
             Split-screen is nice in a text environment too... -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:45:39 PM EDT
         Aww, c'mon. This is always how the wars start! - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:09:31 PM EDT
             Yeah, forgot about paren automatch. - (admin) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:14:30 PM EDT
         Are there still people who work without syntax coloring? - (drewk) - Aug. 26, 2003, 11:06:17 AM EDT

I could go on Oprah touting his evilness. Write articles. I would be famous. Fat, but famous.
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