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Post #114,364

by admin

8/19/03 4:21:11 PM

Debuggers...

Honestly, I don't use them. Well, I do for C++, but it's frigging necessary there.

Unit tests and printlns do for me.

Regards,

-scott anderson

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Post #114,399

by tuberculosis

8/19/03 6:00:54 PM

I really need one

for this project.

I'm doing a very complicated decision tree/mass balance kind of thing (it figures out how to butcher cattle to produce different products based upon demand for various cuts). WIthout the ability to stop the program and inspect the stack during the tree traversal, I'd never figure out what's going on.

A single unit test involves very extensive calculations. I do a huge amount of logging and I still need to halt the system regularly to check its state to make sure that stuff is going on.

And of course, in Smalltalk, I do most of my coding in the debugger while the program runs.

Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower

Care to be quotable on code editors? - (slugbug) - (75) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:15:05 PM EDT

Sounds like you want to talk to our admin. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:26:36 PM EDT

I'll give it a shot - (tjsinclair) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 01:08:46 AM EDT

Thanks.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:51:26 PM EDT

Teaching is a slightly different issue - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:19 PM EDT

Teaching - use whatever you like - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:47:24 AM EDT

I do that as well - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:47:58 PM EDT

rofl - (deSitter) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:46:22 PM EDT

Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:54:16 AM EDT

no blame here.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:54:46 PM EDT

of course! - (deSitter) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:43:52 PM EDT

rofl -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:41:58 PM EDT

Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (gdaustin) - (9) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:56:56 AM EDT

I diverged. Here's the list. - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:04:59 AM EDT

This is great...thank you! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:07:02 PM EDT

great input...compare utilities? - (slugbug) - (6) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:05:40 PM EDT

Compare Utilities - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:25:42 PM EDT

On Second Thought - (gdaustin) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:01 PM EDT

Ok either way.... -NT - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:58:04 PM EDT

How far out is the article? - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:00:18 PM EDT

It running.... - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:57:03 PM EDT

opendiff on OS X is the best I've ever used - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:12:12 PM EDT

OK - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:37:25 AM EDT

best tool for the job.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:13:51 PM EDT

Debuggers... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:11 PM EDT

I really need one - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:00:54 PM EDT

PB stops working on projects above a certain size - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:08:32 PM EDT

Often overlooked - (deSitter) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:52 PM EDT

2c deposited... - (static) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:58:58 AM EDT

deposit accepted :-) - (slugbug) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:01 PM EDT

Gotta think about that... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:03:53 AM EDT

Quoting okay. - (static) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:57:27 PM EDT

Thanks very much! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 10:20:43 AM EDT

I'll come back to this, but... - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 08:13:51 AM EDT

so, maybe there is a more fundamental question.... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:30:52 PM EDT

That's a physical description... - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:39:22 PM EDT

I use Emacs, - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:10:17 AM EDT

but, but, but.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:37:54 PM EDT

Data point: - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:43:14 PM EDT

I will let you know in 4 years :) - (Arkadiy) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:52:54 PM EDT

Well in a Windows World... - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:37 PM EDT

Forgot that one... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:39 PM EDT

Yes I meant Fast.... - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:54:35 PM EDT

My necessities - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:02:57 AM EDT

good info... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:46:48 PM EDT

The problem I have with most IDE editors is the keymapping - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:49:54 PM EDT

And the answer is... - (admin) - (24) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:42:35 AM EDT

So.... - (slugbug) - (22) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:54:15 PM EDT

Re: So.... - (admin) - (20) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:04:33 PM EDT

Appropriate title? - (ChrisR) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:21:53 PM EDT

No.... for you, it's "Sir". ;-) -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:24:28 PM EDT

titles, brilliant kids, and comparing programmers..... - (slugbug) - (10) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:12:40 PM EDT

Pointy clicky... - (admin) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:31:21 PM EDT

Definitely with Scott on this one... - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:18:17 PM EDT

Disagree RE GUI development - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:29:04 AM EDT

I like your Law so much I twikified it. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 05:08:37 PM EDT

heh - cool -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:42:36 PM EDT

What he said... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:02:42 AM EDT

People buying the software... - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:45:54 PM EDT

And the congregation said: - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:50:10 PM EDT

Of Mice and Programmers... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:24:34 AM EDT

Well, then in THAT case - (FuManChu) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:03:50 AM EDT

Re: So.... - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:24:54 PM EDT

Nope. - (admin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:58:42 AM EDT

Re: So.... - (JimWeirich) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:18:59 AM EDT

I modified the code... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:40:03 PM EDT

Scott... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:07:44 AM EDT

Re: Scott... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:24:31 AM EDT

thanks... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 03:54:18 PM EDT

Re: So.... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:09:45 PM EDT

I'm still a vim man...but I respect what emacs can do. - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 21, 2003, 10:25:35 PM EDT

emacs and visual slickedit - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:38:01 PM EDT

Split-screen is nice in a text environment too... -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:45:39 PM EDT

Aww, c'mon. This is always how the wars start! - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:09:31 PM EDT

Yeah, forgot about paren automatch. - (admin) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:14:30 PM EDT

Are there still people who work without syntax coloring? - (drewk) - Aug. 26, 2003, 11:06:17 AM EDT

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